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In this episode, Skyler interviews Dr. James Renihan about his book Confessing the Impassible God: The Biblical, Classical, & Confessional Doctrine of Divine Impassibility.
The LDS have historically rejected any notion of any god being “without body, parts, or passions.” This teaching was even explicitly identified as a Luciferian deception through the character of a Reformed Minister (called a “hireling of Satan”) in the LDS temple until 1990 (also here). Today, we ask Dr. James Renihan if the doctrine of Divine Impassibility is what the Bible actually teaches, what Christians have historically believed – and why Christianity must confess One God “without body, parts, or passions.”
James Renihan lectures:
Also mentioned were his books:
Against the Gods by John Currid
All That Is In God by James Dolezal
The Suffering of the Impassible God by Paul Gavrilyuk
Christianity and Classical Culture by Jaroslav Pelikan
Brigham Young: 10.192 ; 13.309
John Taylor: JD 14.267-70
LDS Temple transcript: here and here
“Strange Creeds of Christendom” by LeGrand Richards
“The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent” by Jeffrey Holland
The Great Apostasy; Jesus the Christ by James Talmage
The Truth, The Way, The Life: An Elementary Treatise on Theology by B.H. Roberts
The God Who Weeps; Wrestling the Angel by Terryl Givens
Brigham Young clearly taught that “the God that I serve is progressing eternally, and so are his children: they will increase to all eternity, if they are faithful.” (JD 11.286) However, there has been some voices to the contrary, though still stated within a context which accepts eternal progression (i.e. gods becoming gods by obedience to law, acquisition of knowledge, etc, etc)
Compare President Wilford Woodruff and Elder Bruce R. McConkie on the question of eternal progression:
Even Orson Pratt, in his "confession" and "apology" for opposing Brigham Young on the eternal progression of even the highest gods, stated that “[w]e are told that every God will continue to progress in knowledge to all ages of eternity; and we are told this by the highest authority on the earth.” (the line was in the original sermon, edited out of JD 7.371-76, but see Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera, p.163. To see more context on the issue, Bergera's book is well-worth reading.)
In this episode, Skyler interviews Dr. James Renihan about his book Confessing the Impassible God: The Biblical, Classical, & Confessional Doctrine of Divine Impassibility.
The LDS have historically rejected any notion of any god being “without body, parts, or passions.” This teaching was even explicitly identified as a Luciferian deception through the character of a Reformed Minister (called a “hireling of Satan”) in the LDS temple until 1990 (also here). Today, we ask Dr. James Renihan if the doctrine of Divine Impassibility is what the Bible actually teaches, what Christians have historically believed – and why Christianity must confess One God “without body, parts, or passions.”
James Renihan lectures:
Also mentioned were his books:
Against the Gods by John Currid
All That Is In God by James Dolezal
The Suffering of the Impassible God by Paul Gavrilyuk
Christianity and Classical Culture by Jaroslav Pelikan
Brigham Young: 10.192 ; 13.309
John Taylor: JD 14.267-70
LDS Temple transcript: here and here
“Strange Creeds of Christendom” by LeGrand Richards
“The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent” by Jeffrey Holland
The Great Apostasy; Jesus the Christ by James Talmage
The Truth, The Way, The Life: An Elementary Treatise on Theology by B.H. Roberts
The God Who Weeps; Wrestling the Angel by Terryl Givens
Brigham Young clearly taught that “the God that I serve is progressing eternally, and so are his children: they will increase to all eternity, if they are faithful.” (JD 11.286) However, there has been some voices to the contrary, though still stated within a context which accepts eternal progression (i.e. gods becoming gods by obedience to law, acquisition of knowledge, etc, etc)
Compare President Wilford Woodruff and Elder Bruce R. McConkie on the question of eternal progression:
Even Orson Pratt, in his "confession" and "apology" for opposing Brigham Young on the eternal progression of even the highest gods, stated that “[w]e are told that every God will continue to progress in knowledge to all ages of eternity; and we are told this by the highest authority on the earth.” (the line was in the original sermon, edited out of JD 7.371-76, but see Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera, p.163. To see more context on the issue, Bergera's book is well-worth reading.)