The 3rd time is a charm! Eric and i engaged in conversation for a 3 hours before we actually began the podcast. He thought he was recording and he wasn't and i thought i had place my phone on do not disturb and I had not! Whew, if only you knew what we talked about on and off the record. This is my way of saying engage in conversation with someone you know, don't know, someone with more life experince than you and bonus points an Elder!