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Anthony Vinci — the first CTO of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and a member of the team behind Project Maven — joins Chris Brandt to talk about how AI and China are rewriting the rules of espionage.
We get into why the most powerful manipulation isn't lies but facts, how "LLM grooming" poisons the AI you rely on, the shift from being in the loop to on the loop, and why Vinci argues every citizen now needs to think like an intelligence officer. Plus: his company Vico, which forecasts geopolitical and economic events to help people make better decisions.
Anthony's book, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, is a Financial Times best book of the year — well worth a read: https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7
Guest links:
Vico: https://vico.io
Anthony Vinci: https://anthonyvinci.com
Book (The Fourth Intelligence Revolution): https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7
Referenced in this episode:
Zero Day Clock: https://zerodayclock.com/
00:00 — The best way to manipulate you is with facts
00:32 — Welcome & who is Anthony Vinci
01:20 — Why he wrote The Fourth Intelligence Revolution
03:51 — Why espionage is now in your living room
05:31 — 2016, Facebook, and hacking an election
09:00 — AI vs. Facebook: targeting you as an individual
09:40 — LLM grooming and the Pravda network
10:34 — Disinformation vs. misinformation
13:02 — Why AI manipulation is subtle
14:57 — We've been lying to each other forever
16:20 — Training everyone to think like a spy
18:51 — The cybersecurity parallel
22:41 — RSA, agentic attacks, and AI in security
24:57 — Mythos, zero-days, and weaponized exploits
30:00 — Should powerful models be released in stages?
32:20 — When one person has more power than a nation
36:54 — The morality question for AI founders
39:11 — Surveillance vs. thought control
40:34 — Could we ever elect an AI president?
41:16 — In the loop vs. on the loop
44:22 — Why competitive pressure removes humans from the loop
45:39 — What Vico does
48:39 — Intelligence as war prevention
51:14 — Where to find Anthony & Vico
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Anthony Vinci — the first CTO of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and a member of the team behind Project Maven — joins Chris Brandt to talk about how AI and China are rewriting the rules of espionage.
We get into why the most powerful manipulation isn't lies but facts, how "LLM grooming" poisons the AI you rely on, the shift from being in the loop to on the loop, and why Vinci argues every citizen now needs to think like an intelligence officer. Plus: his company Vico, which forecasts geopolitical and economic events to help people make better decisions.
Anthony's book, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, is a Financial Times best book of the year — well worth a read: https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7
Guest links:
Vico: https://vico.io
Anthony Vinci: https://anthonyvinci.com
Book (The Fourth Intelligence Revolution): https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7
Referenced in this episode:
Zero Day Clock: https://zerodayclock.com/
00:00 — The best way to manipulate you is with facts
00:32 — Welcome & who is Anthony Vinci
01:20 — Why he wrote The Fourth Intelligence Revolution
03:51 — Why espionage is now in your living room
05:31 — 2016, Facebook, and hacking an election
09:00 — AI vs. Facebook: targeting you as an individual
09:40 — LLM grooming and the Pravda network
10:34 — Disinformation vs. misinformation
13:02 — Why AI manipulation is subtle
14:57 — We've been lying to each other forever
16:20 — Training everyone to think like a spy
18:51 — The cybersecurity parallel
22:41 — RSA, agentic attacks, and AI in security
24:57 — Mythos, zero-days, and weaponized exploits
30:00 — Should powerful models be released in stages?
32:20 — When one person has more power than a nation
36:54 — The morality question for AI founders
39:11 — Surveillance vs. thought control
40:34 — Could we ever elect an AI president?
41:16 — In the loop vs. on the loop
44:22 — Why competitive pressure removes humans from the loop
45:39 — What Vico does
48:39 — Intelligence as war prevention
51:14 — Where to find Anthony & Vico
Click Here to Subscribe:
FUTR.tv focuses on startups, innovation, culture and the business of emerging tech with weekly podcasts talking with Industry leaders and deep thinkers.
Occasionally we share links to products we use. As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases on Amazon.