A History of Rock n' Roll in Film and Rock n' Roll

Hello friends and welcome to Van Halen time! This episode features 3 intertwining sections: My narration of some hand-picked moments in VH history, my real-time reactions to Cameron Crowe's follow up to "Fast Times..." and a super fun interview conducted by my friend and fellow rocker, Eve Clarke, for an as-yet-unreleased series of videos she's cookin' up with other opinionated guitar enthusiasts in our local orbit. Eve's music can be found here: https://tripthewire.com/ Part two of my Van Halen series will probably be out next month, but right now it's anyone's guess if the 2nd Guns n' Roses episode gets finished first. We'll just have to see. In the meantime, please be excellent to each other and PARTY ON, DUDES!

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XMANSTARTRACK AUDIOBOOKYNESS! Listen to me read a couple hours of Jan Michael Vincent Marty Friedman's Sci-Fi X-over epic! I love the X-Men and wish I liked more Star Trek. So here's me following through on a dumb idea I had a couple yrs ago when Mike Stolklassa of Red Letter Media appeared onscreen pretending to read this paperback masterpiece and went straight to ebay to buy the damn thing. More later.

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Guns n' Roses tour with Motley Crue, Alice Cooper, The Rolling Stones and more! Then Clint Eastwood's kiddo gets his favorite-est band in the whole wide world to be in his dad's new movie featuring Jim Carrey and Liam Neeson. Also lots of booze and drugs and bikers and strippers! Axl Rose warms up his vocals backstage with a Queensryche song that passive-aggressively lets his band know he's sick of their heroin dependency. The "Hell House" era featuring West Arkeen and Del James is discussed. LAPD and UK journalists all show up at the biker crash pad for an epic hang. The boys from Tesla strongly imply that "Patience" was a ripoff of one of their tunes. Many times during this era, Axl showed up to play gigs as scheduled and on time, but not always. Sly Stone shows up to use the bathroom! Many many times! Steven Adler gets in a "huge barroom brawl." Then it turns out he "punched out a street light". And then it turns out he actually just put his fist through a porch lamp outside a bar, and in doing so provided an opportunity for somebody else's drummer to take his place for a few shows while his finger healed. Living Colour's Vernon Reid has some choice words to say onstage about "One in a Million" while Axl is being forcibly pulled out of hiding and driven to the stadium with police escorts to get him onstage in time to open for the Stones that night. Oh, and Vince Neil bravely defend's his wife's honor after Izzy Stradlin beat her up with a flurry of karate kicks and punches. OR MAYBE Vince Neil sucker punched Izzy in the dark while he was coming offstage because the lady in question told Vince a story no one else seems to be able to corroborate. Because other folks said she was blatantly putting the moves on Iz and he pushed her off him and insulted her. Could all of this simultaneously be true somehow? I would not put it past the Rock n' Roll gods to have made it so, just to fuck with us, and all the parties involved.

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This marks the end of The Crow trilogy...of my shows, not the film trilogy. Much like the Robert Johnson episode, I was shocked to find out how little of full story of this incredibly talented performer's death I had actually known all this time.

The Crow stands out from many other subjects of A History of Rock n' Roll in Film and Rock n' Roll. I simply don't talk in as much detail about most movies I cover on these episodes. But I think it stands to reason that many of them didn't have an influence on modern culture, moviemaking and popular music like this one did. Usually the subjects covered in the films I review (the rock stars with names in the title, or just the era of culture portrayed) had more influence in real life than the films themselves.

This episode covers a lot more Nine Inch Nails through some great interviews with Trent Reznor from the 90s, plus one little magazine review of an early New Order show that I couldn't help but include, and a quick deviation at the beginning toward a famous comic book innovator who once found himself in the same positions as a young James O'Barr did while serving in the U.S. military.

This one gets a bit silly, a bit raw, a bit sad, but it was needed. Cheers, all. Your continued indulgence is noted and appreciated.

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https://www.dreadcentral.com/news/269577/unearthed-exclusive-part-1-of-2-twenty-four-years-after-its-release-screenwriter-david-j-schow-talks-the-crow/

https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.05.1991/page/n65/mode/2up?q=Reznor

https://archive.org/details/1986-12-December-Nerve-30/page/n21/mode/2up?q=%22new+order%22

https://archive.org/details/electroshock00greg/page/38/mode/2up?q=Reznor interview 1994

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Crow book: https://archive.org/details/makingofcrow0000bais

Official Making of The Crow book

Brandon Lee By Cindy Dyson: https://archive.org/details/brandonlee0000dyso/page/36/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/synthgods0000unse/page/106/mode/2up?q=Reznor

Self Destruct Book: https://archive.org/details/nineinchnailssel00huxl/page/n5/mode/2up?q=Reznor

SPIN MAGS:

https://books.google.com/books?id=td2yO_T3DPEC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=xbtTqjWx8FsC&pg=PA70&dq=Trent+Reznor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijvPyPqJ39AhVYFjQIHZ19AgUQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=Trent%20Reznor&f=false

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This episode is dense and detailed as all hell. I say that every few months about a new episode, it's true. But this really ranks up there with my Janis Joplin, Chris Cornell, AC/DC and Doors episodes in the amount of research (see the many references below) and interstitial music edits involved. So thank you in advance for your indulgence. This one covers:

• An expanded history of James O'Barr's journey from the USMC to optioning The Crow for a development deal
• Joy Division's early gigs, record deals, recording experiences, and Ian Curtis's death
• Trent Reznor's trials putting together the "Pretty Hate Machine" era Nine Inch Nails lineup, touring as an opening act, 1990s ascension as the eternal outsider, generally underreported backstage raucousness and the eventual shift into "Downward Spiral"
• The many steps between "The Crow" as a comic book released independently out of Detroit to nationwide distribution to screenplay revisions to script revisions and securing a serious-ass movie deal for real. Featuring accounts of Jeff Most and John Shirley who made it happen
• Clashes and controversies behind the scenes between writers, producers and director of the film, extending all the way to what DVD features we've still been denied due to legal squabbling that took place even years after the film's release

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https://www.filmstories.co.uk/features/the-crow-chronicle-the-dvd-extra-feature-that-got-pulled-late-in-the-day/

https://sewermutant.com/the-crow-creator-james-obarr-s-early-years-2b0b6e0ee8d3

https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.05.1991/page/n65/mode/2up?q=Reznor

https://archive.org/details/electroshock00greg/page/38/mode/2up?q=Reznor interview 1994

Deborah Curtis's book: https://archive.org/details/touchingfromdist00debo/page/134/mode/2up

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Crow book: https://archive.org/details/makingofcrow0000bais + Official Making of The Crow book

https://archive.org/details/synthgods0000unse/page/106/mode/2up?q=Reznor

Self Destruct Book: https://archive.org/details/nineinchnailssel00huxl/page/n5/mode/2up?q=Reznor

SPIN MAGS:

https://books.google.com/books?id=td2yO_T3DPEC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=xbtTqjWx8FsC&pg=PA70&dq=Trent+Reznor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijvPyPqJ39AhVYFjQIHZ19AgUQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=Trent%20Reznor&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=3_7wN22l43MC&pg=PT44&dq=Trent+Reznor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicodapqJ39AhXTLH0KHS9xABY4FBDoAXoECAsQAg#v=onepage&q=Trent%20Reznor&f=false

Here we go! The beginning of The Crow saga I've been working toward for a couple of years. I had big plans to cover more bands from the soundtrack, but after learning what I learned about O'Barr and Reznor's mutual love for Joy Division, I decided to take this route. Please enjoy hearing about:

• Trent Reznor's Cleveland cover band years, becoming a roadie for The Revolting Cocks and making Pretty Hate Machine for TVT Records
• James O'Barr's early life, tragic loss of his fiancee, joining up with the Marines, creating and publishing The Crow
• Joy Division's origin story in Manchester, starting with the early Sex Pistols gigs they all went to and how they snagged Ian Curtis, and developed their early sound

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Read or download The Crow: The Movie official book from 1994 with gorgeous photos and lots of backstory: https://archive.org/details/the-crow-the-movie-by-jeff-conner-robert-zuckerman-1994-b

A very well researched book about The Crow: https://www.abebooks.com/9781870048545/Crow-Story-Behind-Film-Bridget-1870048547/plp

https://archive.org/details/makingofcrow0000bais/page/n9/mode/2up

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Electro Shock! w/Trent Reznor:

https://archive.org/details/electroshock00greg/page/42/mode/2up?q=Reznor

Mondo 2000 w/NIN: https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.05.1991/page/n65/mode/2up?q=Reznor

SPIN MAGS w/Trent Reznor:

https://books.google.com/books?id=td2yO_T3DPEC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=xbtTqjWx8FsC&pg=PA70&dq=Trent+Reznor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijvPyPqJ39AhVYFjQIHZ19AgUQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=Trent%20Reznor&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=3_7wN22l43MC&pg=PT44&dq=Trent+Reznor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicodapqJ39AhXTLH0KHS9xABY4FBDoAXoECAsQAg#v=onepage&q=Trent%20Reznor&f=false

Joy Division 2007 doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhHw0jH_dHE

Joy Divison Amplified doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du_5Iij5CAE&t=698s

Transmissions podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkeY-stxwM New British Canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQqXF0ZybT0

Now, at the end of the newest (Heavy Metal, 1981) episode you still can't hear yet, I recorded a whole outro introducing the new Patreon feed. I'm going to stop waiting for that show to publish though, because for 6 days the Libsyn dashboard has been unable process the file I'm trying to upload. 

So I'm announcing it here and now instead because I'm so gosh darn flusterpated with the lack of assistance from the company I have to pay to just perform the simple task of releasing the thing I spend hundrest of hours creating every month.

(This doesn't mean the main feed isn't going to bounce back, I just don't know when I can get it working again. I need both to continue. The Patreon will be a different beast. A lot of stuff I can't fit into normal episodes)

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Who wants to chat about animation, new wave, and early 80s heavy metal? This episode is wild by any of my usual standards. The topics veer all over the place and the music is wackier than normal. Hope you like it!

This one covers the making of Heavy Metal, the amalgamation of many different animation studios all working overtime to complete their different segments, the difference between Taarna and the original Moebius story "Arzach" or Arzack or whatever, the anarchic and confrontational post-Kent-State-Massacre origins of DEVO, the resurgance of Sabbath in an era where pretty much EVERYone wanted them to die, a Lester Bangs review of Stevie Nicks' "Belladonna", the creation of Blue Oyster Cult's insignia, and Cheap Trick cutting ties with their problematic bassist in order to take on a much more problematic bassist. I'm likely committing the final Hank Williams episode to the new Patreon account, as well as some Van Halen content, Guns n' Roses backstory, then some Nine Inch Nails & Joy Division bonus material that won't fit on my upcoming episode for "The Crow". And it will continually feature lot of historical readings on the origins of Rock n' Roll I haven't been able to assign to any previous episodes yet. Not to mention some wacky video ideas I've been unable to get past the Youtube robots, so I have to take 'em behind the curtain for the die hard fans of the show.

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Original "Den" by Corben

https://archive.org/details/1975-1997-den

Corben's "Neverwhere"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKL-F15l0eA

The Film:

https://archive.org/details/heavy-metal-neverwhere-land-edition

The original Moebius inspiration for "Taarna" set to Captain Beefheart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3hjD_W0yI

Blue Oyster Cult article:

https://www.gothichorrorstories.com/gothic-travel/by-location/mid-atlantic/long-island/tales-from-stony-brook/blue-oyster-cult-astronomy/

The 1975 WMMS Halloween Devo performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82j12E3cpS4

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