<p>John D. Barrow talks to us about the laws of nature, how the complexity of the world conceals  elegant mathematical symmetries, and how chaos can arise from order.</p>

John D. Barrow talks to us about the laws of nature, how the complexity of the world conceals elegant mathematical symmetries, and how chaos can arise from order.

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<p>Maths on the Move, the podcast from plus.maths.org, brings you the latest news from the world of maths, plus interviews and discussions with leading mathematicians and scientists about the maths that is changing our lives. Hosted by Plus editors Rachel Thomas and Marianne Freiberger.</p>

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Maths on the Move, the podcast from plus.maths.org, brings you the latest news from the world of maths, plus interviews and discussions with leading mathematicians and scientists about the maths that is changing our lives. Hosted by Plus editors Rachel Thomas and Marianne Freiberger.

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