Drugs, alcohol and self medicating. For Ari Flores and Michael Kellerman, it's what kept them afloat but also weighed them down, taking them further and further away from the people they were trying to become. Do you need to hit rock bottom to make a change? Has pop culture helped or hurt awareness? And is it even best practice to ask someone about an addiction when you may not know what's going on? We talk about transformation, what it's like to get to the other side, and more. Tune in.