Dr. Vander was well on his way to a career in as a medical doctor, when a random encounter with a series of physiology experiments about kidneys intrigued him, and led him into a half century of scientific studies and authoring books at the University of Michigan.

He became a leading expert on kidney function and much more, literally writing the textbook. He is still keeping up-to-date with the latest findings in his well-earned Ojai retirement, where he's been for more than a decade with his wife Judy, an esteemed expert and musicologist in her own right. We talked about recent research that shows activity in patients with no brain activity, the enormous growth and elasticity of snake stomach and hearts and its implications for cardiovascular disease, social science and the replication crisis in experiments and much more.

We did not talk about baseball, the Laurentian Shield and Shoshone dances. You can learn more about Dr. Vander through his extensive publications on Amazon.