Robyn Fitzgerald is a Melbourne-based midwife, International Board Certified Lactation Consultant and NDC provider. She has been consulting by telehealth throughout the lockdown that became necessary again in Melbourne during a second wave of COVID-19 infections. In this conversation with Dr Pamela Douglas, Robyn discusses why the second wave stay-at-home regulations have been particularly difficult for new mothers. Robyn also talks about the most common problems brought to her, and the advice she finds she is repeatedly offering to these courageous women. Pam is a GP-researcher and founder of the evidence-based Neuroprotective Developmental Care (or 'Possums') programs www.possumsonline.com. Pam is also author of The discontented little baby book: all you need to know about feeds, sleep, and crying.