On today’s episode, Tyler talks to Joshua Wheeler about his brilliant debut novel, The High Heaven. Focusing on a UFO cult survivor who is obsessed with NASA, the novel spans her entire life and decades of American history. Josh talks about his literary influences, how his working class upbringing in New Mexico shaped his work, and the state of contemporary fiction. Tyler also asks Josh about his obsession with Smokey Bear and his sprawling collection of Smokey memorabilia.

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