In this episode, Elena Joy sits down with Hanna Miller, founder of Conscience-Driven Leadership, for a conversation that keeps arriving at the same truth from two very different lives. Elena built her map through Signal and Static, and core values. Hanna built hers through the circus, horses, and conscience. They meet in the middle on burnout, intuition, and what it actually takes to lead like a human inside systems that often reward the opposite.

Along the way: why anxiety is sometimes the clearest signal in the room, how to tell your intuition apart from your distortions, the drama triangle as a sign you've lost the plot, and what a trembling koala in a field of stumps can teach us about the burnout so many leaders are carrying right now. For the managers stuck in the messy middle who feel like they can't quit and can't keep going, Hanna and Elena name the unspoken thing and point toward where your agency actually lives.

Warm, honest, and a little rebellious. Come get your rooftop perspective.

Links

Get Hanna's book, Trust Physics:
https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/trust-physics-ebook

Learn more about Hanna's work:
https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/resources

Hanna's podcast episode on boundaries:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2570370/episodes/18824611-distortions-part-2-boundary-and-approval

Chat with Elena Joy:
https://chatwithelenajoy.com/

Connect with Elena Joy:
Substack: https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/
https://LatitudeLeaders.com

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