Closed borders, hoarded medical equipment, confused policies. By any measures, the pandemic has not been EU's finest hour. But could it been bad enough that Europe's leaders now know that they must do better? Might the failures of the last months produce a more successful future for Europe?

Ana Palacio, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Spain and a leading European and Foreign affairs scholar, Magnus Schöldtz, former Ambassador at the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs and Advisor at the Wallenberg Foundations, talk about Europes challenges with Alan Stoga in this week's “New Thinking for a New World” podcast.