ABA on Tap

By Mike Rubio, BCBA & Dan Lowery, BCBA (co-Hosts) & Suzanne Juzwik, BCBA (Producer)

The ABA podcast, crafted for BCBAs, RBTs, OBMers, and ABA therapy business owners, that serves up Applied Behavior Analysis with a twist!

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June 21, 2026 Truth Telling and Good Hiring in ABA: A Couple of Drinks with Holli Beth Clauser (Part II)
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ABA on Tap is proud to present Holli Beth Clauser (Part 2 of 2):
Grab a comfortable seat and get ready for your second pour of truth telling and good hiring.
"They’re just RBTs” might be the most expensive sentence an ABA organization can say. We sit down with Holli Beth Clauser to talk about truth telling, good hiring, and what happens when companies optimize for speed and margin while ignoring training, retention, and the human reality of autism services delivered in a family’s home.

We dig into the hidden costs of turnover in applied behavior analysis: paid onboarding time, unstaffed cases, added BCBA supervision load, inconsistent sessions, and the reputational damage that follows. From there we get into the messy “soup” leaders actually face, balancing living wages, competitive market pay, and insurance reimbursement rates, plus the pressure to keep profit margins high. We also challenge the industry’s obsession with blanket hour recommendations and talk about what it means to “prescribe” ABA therapy with real clinical reasoning and empirical humility.

Then we shift into what to do about it. Holli breaks down how to reduce silos between clinical leadership and talent teams through visibility, feedback loops, and accountability, and why “vibe check” interviews quietly bake bias into your hiring. You’ll hear a practical interview question you can steal, simple ways to create belonging through specific reinforcement, and a powerful reminder that protocols are for people, not the other way around. We also cover BCBA burnout and realistic career pivots, plus Holli’s personal diagnostic journey and what it taught her about communication, systems, and support.

If you care about ethical ABA, RBT retention, sustainable growth, and better outcomes for kids and families, hit subscribe, share this with a leader on your team, and leave a review so more clinicians can find the conversation.
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June 14, 2026 Truth Telling and Good Hiring in ABA: A Couple of Drinks with Holli Beth Clauser (Part I)
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Grab a comfortable seat and a tasty libation. There is a lot of introspection to be had in this pour.
Your turnover number might look like a business problem, but it’s really a human systems problem. We sit down with Holly Beth Clauser to unpack why ABA organizations keep bleeding great RBTs, why families lose trust when staffing churn never stops, and what changes actually improve recruitment, onboarding, and retention without burning people out.

We start with Holli’s origin story and how her frontline experience shaped the way she thinks about the workforce. From there, we get practical about the gaps between clinical work, scheduling, HR, and executives. We talk about SOPs and metrics as a shared language, but we keep coming back to the part most dashboards miss: the context behind the number. Cancellations, inconsistent hours, and “culture” issues rarely come from one person being lazy. They’re usually signals that the environment isn’t reinforcing the right behaviors.

Then we go straight at the hiring process. Overselling roles, overpromising hours, and avoiding hard conversations about aggression, travel, cancellations, and documentation creates the exact churn everyone complains about later. Holly shares how she interviews for boundaries and triggers, why function should guide HR responses, and why practical de-escalation and self-regulation training often matters more in the first 60 days than jargon-heavy onboarding.

If you care about treatment continuity, staff wellbeing, and sustainable ABA services, hit play, share this with a leader in your orbit, and subscribe so you don’t miss Part 2. After you listen, what’s one change you’d make to improve RBT retention at your organization? Holli Beth Clauser will guide you in this episode.
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June 07, 2026A Perfect Pairing Toward the Eighth Dimension: Compassion and Food with Dr. Yev Veverka (Part II)
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Grab a tasty libation, a comfy seat and sip slowly. In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike and Dan are pouring out a fresh perspective on the evolution of behavior science. We are thrilled to welcome a powerhouse, Dr. Yev Veverka, PhD, BCBA-D--a world-class researcher, and educator from the University of Washington. Yev is also well versed as a parent of neurodivergence.
We are tackling the flaws in traditional ABA delivery and diving straight into how we can reform the field without abandoning the proven science. Dr. Veverka breaks down the concept of compassionate care as the "Eighth Dimension" of ABA, exploring how practitioners can move from being rigid experts to collaborative partners who actively center client autonomy and well-being. Plus, as a leading feeding specialist, she serves up some highly actionable strategies from her work on making mealtimes positive and manageable for families.
On the Menu Tonight:
The Compassion Reform: Why the current application of ABA can feel flawed to families, and how shifting toward person-centered, empathetic care can reshape the future of our field.
The Dual Perspective: What happens when a BCBA is also an autism parent navigating the daily realities of therapy.
Meaningful Mealtimes: Dr. Veverka’s practical, evidence-based tips to prevent and handle common mealtime challenges without the battle of wills.
Client Autonomy & Assent: Shifting the focus toward meaningful participation, social justice, and asking the critical question: Whose lives are we actually improving?
Whether you are a seasoned BCBA, an RBT in the trenches, or a parent looking for real-world support, this episode delivers high-impact behavior science with absolutely zero boring jargon.
Tune in, Drink up, and ALWAYS ANALYZE RESPONSIBLY.
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
💡 Support the Show:
☕ Love what we do? Buy us a virtual drink! Support ABA on Tap
🎙️ Interested in sponsoring? Partner with us
🚀 Join the ABA on Tap Community! Stay updated on the latest episodes, live events, and exclusive content.
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56min
May 31, 2026A Perfect Pairing Toward the Eighth Dimension: Compassion and Food with Dr. Yev Veverka (Part I)
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ABA on Tap is proud to present Dr. Yev Veverka (Part 1 of 2):
Grab a tasty libation, a comfy seat and sip slowly. In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike and Dan are pouring out a fresh perspective on the evolution of behavior science. We are thrilled to welcome a powerhouse, Dr. Yev Veverka, PhD, BCBA-D--a world-class researcher, and educator from the University of Washington. Yev is also well versed as a parent of neurodivergence.
We are tackling the flaws in traditional ABA delivery and diving straight into how we can reform the field without abandoning the proven science. Dr. Veverka breaks down the concept of compassionate care as the "Eighth Dimension" of ABA, exploring how practitioners can move from being rigid experts to collaborative partners who actively center client autonomy and well-being. Plus, as a leading feeding specialist, she serves up some highly actionable strategies from her work on making mealtimes positive and manageable for families.
On the Menu Tonight:
The Compassion Reform: Why the current application of ABA can feel flawed to families, and how shifting toward person-centered, empathetic care can reshape the future of our field.
The Dual Perspective: What happens when a BCBA is also an autism parent navigating the daily realities of therapy.
Meaningful Mealtimes: Dr. Veverka’s practical, evidence-based tips to prevent and handle common mealtime challenges without the battle of wills.
Client Autonomy & Assent: Shifting the focus toward meaningful participation, social justice, and asking the critical question: Whose lives are we actually improving?
Whether you are a seasoned BCBA, an RBT in the trenches, or a parent looking for real-world support, this episode delivers high-impact behavior science with absolutely zero boring jargon.
Tune in, Drink up, and ALWAYS ANALYZE RESPONSIBLY.
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
💡 Support the Show:
☕ Love what we do? Buy us a virtual drink! Support ABA on Tap
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53min
May 24, 2026Tap Into A Reinforcing Conversation with Nicole Stewart and Christina Torres
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*FOR PART I of this interview, please go to the Reinforcing Conversations Podcast
Grab a cold one and pull up a chair! In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike Rubio and Dan Lowery are joined by a powerhouse duo shaking up the behavior analysis space: Nicole Stewart and Christina Torres, creators of the Reinforcing Conversations podcast. This is a pod-swap, so part I of this convo starts on the Reinforcing Conversations platform. Please do check it out.
Nicole and Christina are known for their honest, unfiltered dialogue and deep reflection on the ethics of real-world practice. In this "pour," the crew moves past the rigid, compliance-based textbook jargon to focus on what it truly means to center humanity while still honoring the science. They dive into the realities of modern clinical practice, the nuances of trauma-assumed care, and how to build an authentic professional brand without losing your mind.
In this pour, we are serving up:
Textbook vs. Reality: Why standard "one-size-fits-all" behavior protocols fail in the field, and how to individualize affirming care.
Trauma-Assumed Practices: Shifting the focus from strict behavioral compliance to fostering true safety, assent, and belonging.
Building an Authentic Brand: Christina shares her journey as a self-made entrepreneur and how she uses social media to make ABA accessible.
Navigating Field Burnout: Honest talk on setting boundaries, advocating for yourself, and upholding ethical supervision standards.
Whether you are a seasoned BCBA, an RBT in the trenches, or a business owner trying to steer the future of therapy, this episode delivers the straight talk you need—minus the boring jargon.
Tune in, drink up, and always analyze responsibly!
Connect with the Guests:
Listen to their podcast: Reinforcing Conversations on Spotify
Follow on Instagram: @reinforcing.conversations
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📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
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1h 17min
May 17, 2026The Birds, The Bees, and The BCBAs: Understanding Sexual Behavior Analysis with Nicholas Maio-Aether (Part II)
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Find the most comfortable seat in the house, pour yourself a cold one, maybe two! In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike Rubio and Dan Lowery are joined by the "Sex Analyst" himself, Nicholas Maio-Aether.
Nicholas is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA), Licensed Behavior Analyst (LBA), and a certified sexuality counselor who specializes in Sexual Behavior Analysis (SBA)—a subfield he pioneered at his agency, Empowered: A Center for Sexuality LLC.
In this "pour," we’re serving up:
The Intersection of Sexology and ABA: Why Nicholas saw a desperate need for competency in addressing sexual behavior within behavior analysis and how he bridges that gap.
Humanistic & Affirming Care: Moving away from traditional "mitigation" or "extinction" of sexuality toward approaches focused on self-determination, sexual access, and gender affirmation.
Navigating Taboos: Real talk on the "good, the bad, and the ugly" history of ABA and sexuality, and how to ethically teach consent and education to neurodivergent populations.
Sensate Focus & Practical Tools: A look at how behavior analysts can use clinical rigor to help clients achieve meaningful relational outcomes.
Whether you’re a BCBA looking to expand your scope of practice or just curious about how behavior science applies to the most human of narratives, this episode delivers science-backed insights with the signature ABA on Tap humor and practicality.
*This episode is marked 'Explicit' simply due to the topic and themes discussed.
TUNE IN, DRINK UP, and ALWAYS ANALYZE RESPONSIBLY!
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🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
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📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
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1h 2min
May 10, 2026The Birds, The Bees, and The BCBAs: Understanding Sexual Behavior Analysis with Nicholas Maio-Aether (Part I)
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ABA on Tap is proud to present Nicholas Maio-Aether (Part 1 of 2):
Find the most comfortable seat in the house, pour yourself a cold one, maybe two! In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike Rubio and Dan Lowery are joined by the "Sex Analyst" himself, Nicholas Maio-Aether.
Nicholas is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA), Licensed Behavior Analyst (LBA), and a certified sexuality counselor who specializes in Sexual Behavior Analysis (SBA)—a subfield he pioneered at his agency, Empowered: A Center for Sexuality LLC.
In this "pour," we’re serving up:
The Intersection of Sexology and ABA: Why Nicholas saw a desperate need for competency in addressing sexual behavior within behavior analysis and how he bridges that gap.
Humanistic & Affirming Care: Moving away from traditional "mitigation" or "extinction" of sexuality toward approaches focused on self-determination, sexual access, and gender affirmation.
Navigating Taboos: Real talk on the "good, the bad, and the ugly" history of ABA and sexuality, and how to ethically teach consent and education to neurodivergent populations.
Sensate Focus & Practical Tools: A look at how behavior analysts can use clinical rigor to help clients achieve meaningful relational outcomes.
Whether you’re a BCBA looking to expand your scope of practice or just curious about how behavior science applies to the most human of narratives, this episode delivers science-backed insights with the signature ABA on Tap humor and practicality.
*This episode is marked 'Explicit' simply due to the topic and themes discussed.
TUNE IN, DRINK UP, and ALWAYS ANALYZE RESPONSIBLY!
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
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53min
May 03, 2026Putting the 'U' in Behaviour: The Art of the Behaviour Lifestyle with Shouberte Abreu (Part II)
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ABA on Tap is proud to spend some time with Shouberte Abreu (Part 2 of 2):
Grab a seat and pour yourself a cold one! In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike Rubio and Dan Lowery are joined by Shouberte Abreu, a powerhouse in clinical ABA and Founder of Behaviour Lifestyle. In addition, the crew is pleasantly surprised by a bonus guest, Dr. Scott O'Donnell.
Shouberte takes us beyond the laboratory, sharing her journey from navigating tough supervision to becoming a leading mentor, author, and Infant Toddler Developmental Specialist. We are tackling the real-world applications of ABA, focusing on compassionate care, family training, and how to teach "the art of you" to our learners.
In this "pour," we’re serving up:
The Path from RBT to BCBA: Real talk on field challenges, the importance of supportive supervision, and navigating the independent field work route.
Family Guidance & Training: How to educate and support parents to implement effective strategies in the home.
Compassionate Care: Blending clinical rigor with empathy to create meaningful, individualized programming.
Whether you are a new RBT looking for mentorship or a BCBA refining your clinical approach, this episode is filled with practical insights to help you grow.
Tune in, drink up, and always analyze responsibly!
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
💡 Support the Show:
☕ Love what we do? Buy us a virtual drink! Support ABA on Tap
🎙️ Interested in sponsoring? Partner with us
🚀 Join the ABA on Tap Community! Stay updated on the latest episodes, live events, and exclusive content.
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1h 1min
April 26, 2026Putting the 'U' in Behaviour: The Art of the Behaviour Lifestyle with Shouberte Abreu (Part I)
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ABA on Tap is proud to spend some time with Shouberte Abreu (Part 1 of 2):
Grab a seat and pour yourself a cold one! In this episode of ABA on Tap, hosts Mike Rubio and Dan Lowery are joined by Shouberte Abreu, a powerhouse in clinical ABA and Founder of Behaviour Lifestyle. In addition, the crew is pleasantly surprised by a bonus guest, Dr. Scott O'Donnell.
Shouberte takes us beyond the laboratory, sharing her journey from navigating tough supervision to becoming a leading mentor, author, and Infant Toddler Developmental Specialist. We are tackling the real-world applications of ABA, focusing on compassionate care, family training, and how to teach "the art of you" to our learners.
In this "pour," we’re serving up:
The Path from RBT to BCBA: Real talk on field challenges, the importance of supportive supervision, and navigating the independent field work route.
Family Guidance & Training: How to educate and support parents to implement effective strategies in the home.
Compassionate Care: Blending clinical rigor with empathy to create meaningful, individualized programming.
Whether you are a new RBT looking for mentorship or a BCBA refining your clinical approach, this episode is filled with practical insights to help you grow.
Tune in, drink up, and always analyze responsibly!
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
💡 Support the Show:
☕ Love what we do? Buy us a virtual drink! Support ABA on Tap
🎙️ Interested in sponsoring? Partner with us
🚀 Join the ABA on Tap Community! Stay updated on the latest episodes, live events, and exclusive content.
🎧 Analyze Responsibly & Keep the Conversation Going! 🍻
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56min
April 19, 2026A Fresh Keg of Value-Based Care: Optum's 'Low Hours, High Impact' with Mike and Dan (Part II)
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(Part 2 of 2) Grab a seat and pour yourself a cold one! In this episode, Mike and Dan are cracking open the white paper from Optum, titled "Low Hours, High Impact".
For years, the "more is better" 40-hour-a-week model has been the industry standard, but the data is starting to tell a different story. We’re diving deep into the science and the shift toward Value-Based Care, exploring how focused, high-quality interventions can sometimes move the needle further than pure volume.
In this "pour," we’re serving up:
The 40-Hour Hangover: Why the "intensive" model might not always be the most effective for every learner, especially the little ones.
Efficiency on Tap: Breaking down Optum’s findings on how lower-intensity, high-precision services can drive meaningful clinical outcomes.
The Payer’s Perspective: A look at how major payers like Optum are redefining "Medical Necessity" and what that means for your clinic's billing and documentation in 2026.
Quality over Quantity: How to advocate for the right amount of hours without sacrificing progress or burning out your RBTs.
Whether you're a BCBA navigating authorization battles or a business owner looking at the future of ABA funding, this episode delivers the straight talk you need—minus the boring jargon.
Tune in, drink up, and always analyze responsibly.
Support the show
🔥 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform!
📢 Connect with Us:
🔗 Website: https://abaontap.com
🎧 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aba.on.tap.podcast
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abaontap/
🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ABAonTap
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aba-on-tap
💡 Support the Show:
☕ Love what we do? Buy us a virtual drink! Support ABA on Tap
🎙️ Interested in sponsoring? Partner with us
🚀 Join the ABA on Tap Community! Stay updated on the latest episodes, live events, and exclusive content.
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1h 1min

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