In this raw, wide-ranging conversation, Thomas reunites with Ryan Sanford — a former Moxie teammate who went from non-member pest control rep in 2020 to serving a full-time LDS mission and now running a performance-based remote sales & marketing agency (Closer Lodge) focused on real outcomes over hype.
They cover:
- How Moxie, 7 Habits principles, and meeting strong LDS examples opened Ryan’s heart to the restored gospel
- The “it factor,” truth-seeking, and recognizing spiritual callings vs. deception
- Mission lessons, returning with massive ambition, and pivoting from sales coaching → high-ticket placement → lead-gen that actually works (pay-per-qualified Zoom sit model)
- Why most online/remote sales & marketing fails (everyone sucks + chasing expediency)
- Integrity vs. churn-and-burn, programming vs. default culture, and the hero’s journey parallel in temple teachings
- Counterfeit vs. divine patterns, secret combinations in scripture, and building businesses/families that last
- Ryan’s nonprofit Share Jesus, faith-driven content creation, and ambitious plans (private equity + service-business roll-ups)
Honest, principle-centered, occasionally spicy — perfect if you love sales war stories, deep doctrine, anti-hustle-culture takes, and real talk about living an extraordinary life aligned with higher purpose.
Follow Ryan: @ryanjakesanford (Instagram)
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