Absolute AppSec

Seth and Ken return with a new episode summarizing their experience at DEF CON 33 and all things Las Vegas over the past month. This includes panels, talks, workshops, happy hours, and even corporate (boo) events. This is followed by discussion of a few research items that came out of the conference, including James Kettle's HTTP1.1 Must Die talk. Finally, why AI is infecting Application Security.

Just in time for AppSec sweeps week, Anshuman Bhartiya is joining Seth Law (sethlaw on social media) and Ken Johnson (cktricky) on the Absolute AppSec podcast! With over a decade in the security industry, Anshuman Bhartiya brings a wealth of knowledge to the table, in web application penetration testing and product security for major enterprises (EMC, Intuit, Atlassian, Lytx, etc). As the current Tech Lead for Application Security at Lyft and co-host of The Boring AppSec Podcast, Anshuman has a wealth of knowledge on AppSec topics. Read more about Anshuman’s work in the AppSec community at his webpage here: https://www.anshumanbhartiya.com. Join us for a wide-ranging conversation about making it in information security and AppSec.

Spurred by a recent article from Venture in Security, this episode delves deep into the practical application of security into an organization's SDLC. Covering a range of issues from gaps in contextual understanding to disingenuous vendor claims, Seth and Ken share their experiences dealing with small and large organizations with varying levels of maturity. Some degree of nihilism is warranted, but recent developments using generative AI is cause for optimism in the space.

Seth and Ken are _back_ to talk through some recent experiences and news across the industry. To start the episode, Seth highlights the edge cases uncovered during manual code review that require context to understand and identify. Inspired by recent a recent post on AI Slop in the curl bug bounty program, the duo addresses the increase of slop across bug bounty reports and why it happens. Finally, a discussion on McDonald's recent authorization flaw that potentially exposed millions of job applicant's data.

Sean Varga, current regional sales manager with noted ASPM company Cycode joins Ken (@cktricky) and Seth (@sethlaw) to discuss the dawning realization organizations are having that they need AppSec experience and tech help to accompany their swelling numbers of developers. Sean's introduces "the OWASP Top 10 for AppSec Sales" to the community Before joining Cycode, Sean worked as Large Enterprise Sales Manager at Apiiro and Enterprise Account executive at Secure Code Warrior. He's also had stints at Veracode, Quest Software, and RSA across his career. We'll get to know Sean and his journey into AppSec, as well as getting his insights on the direction he sees things going moving forward. Connect with or follow Sean on LinkedIn to see what he's up to in the meantime: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-varga/

Ken returns after a week's hiatus to review the latest AppSec news with Seth. Specifically, the idea that authentication fatigue exists for both consumers and developers. The amount of choice to implement security controls can have unintended consequences and introduces risk that may or may not be considered. This is followed by research from SquareX that claims Browser AI Agents are riskier and easier to target than employees. This results in opinions on phishing and protections against consumer/business targeting by attackers.

With @cktricky out on a grand tour across the country (or just unable to record for the day), @sethlaw succumbs to the dark side to give @lojikil a platform to talk about recent developments in the application security world. Specifically, a discussion on vulnerability data and scoring mechanisms, including CVE, CVSS, CWSS, and other acronyms. Wraps up with a longer discussion on the use of AI across multiple disciplines and provenance of AI Slop.

Seth and Ken return with an in-depth discussion around the future of security due to use of AI. The landscape of security is changing quickly and we do not know where it is headed. As such, it is worth exploring how it has changed security's outlook and what we are seeing across organizations from a consulting and product perspective. A recent article from a16z titled "Next-Gen Pentesting: AI Empowers the Good Guys" is a good summary of the changes happening. A short aside on unintended consequences when introducing new browser features.

Hayden Smith, Hunted Labs Co-Founder comes on Absolute AppSec to discuss, among other things, the Hunted Labs work discovering and publicizing the EasyJson software supply chain threat. Before co-founding Hunted Labs, Hayden was Senior Director of Field Services at Anchore, assisting US government, intelligence, and Fortune 500 clients. Long a specialist on supply-chain issues, Smith established the DoD's Platform One software factory, designed container-hardening pipelines securing 500+ Iron Bank images, and led Anchore solutions architects. Previously, he also worked at Booz Allen Hamilton where he supported US government and intelligence clients on cybersecurity/DevOps, and led the cybersecurity team testing the US Air Force's GPS OCX. Seth and Ken discuss some of Hayden's path into the security industry as well as Hunted Labs' report on the EasyJson software supply-chain threat. Read up here for more information: https://huntedlabs.com/exclusive-threat-report/

We are happy to have Kayra Otaner as a special guest on the Absolute AppSec podcast. Kayra (kayraotaner on LinkedIn and X/twitter), the current Director of DevSecOps at Roche, brings over 15 years of cybersecurity leadership experience from New York and Wall Street. He's led DevSecOps and DevOps teams across a variety of organizations, including ADP, Voice, and adMarketplace, and has served as a trusted CTO advisor for Trendyol. His background also includes cybersecurity consulting for the Turkish Navy, where he helped develop a defense solution that was later deployed in NATO's Locked Shields cyber defense war games in Tallinn. Kayra is a frequent speaker at international DevSecOps conferences and serves on the Business and Computer Science Advisory Board at Middlesex County College in New Jersey. During this episode of the podcast Kayra discusses his journey into information security and spurs on his recent thoughts on authenticating open source developers through models similar to TSA PreCheck.