The episode opens with reflections on 9/11 and the importance of disagreeing without being disagreeable before diving into Abstract Chain’s ongoing struggle to define its purpose. Cap and Steve debated whether Abstract can move past promos, badges, and gambling-heavy dapps to establish a lasting consumer-facing identity, with some optimism around its streaming and tipping model but skepticism about sustainability. They also broke down practical DeFi yield strategies across Turtle, Kaito, Hyperliquid, and Katana. The conversation contrasted short-term farming loops with real builders like Polymarket and Billions.

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