In the second part of their conversation, Patricia Evangelista discusses with Howie a thought-provoking aspect of her approach: unpacking the peculiar language used in the Philippines to cloak, justify and record violence by the state, from the origins of "salvage" to mean extrajudicial killing to the refrain of "nanlaban" (resisting arrest) to the clinical coldness of absurdly fantastical police reports.

Evangelista did not come out of nowhere. Her book is part autobiographical, including her wunderkind years when she became a teen-age public speaking world champion. She talks about her famous grandfather, the journalist Mario Chanco, and the big reveal she makes about him in the book; and her turning point when she stopped being a carefree youth and began to care about the forced disappearances of other youths.

She offers advice for would-be book writers ("if you're going to sit with a story for four or five years, you better very much care about it."), and for those who want to follow her path as a "trauma journalist."

When interviewing victims, she instructs, "try to make it as easy as possible. We ask for facts, not for feelings. Hindi 'yung 'anong pakiramdam mo?'... I try to be as respectful as possible. It doesn't mean I'm always successful. But I try."

(Please be advised that this conversation contains sensitive content and some profanity.)

Producer: Aubrey Delos Reyes

Researcher: MJ Cerillo

Editor: Jayr Magtoto

Photos courtesy of Mark Nicdao and Patricia Evangelista

Links:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/some-people-need-killing-the-boy-from-kyiv-wound-and-this-is-salvaged?fbclid=IwAR1NNVsChgKAE722ur4MoD-Oda4uvCWy9ddpfh4N5Vr6zgzOH41MclKYTXI

https://time.com/collection/must-read-books-2023/6332496/some-people-need-killing/?fbclid=IwAR3JAoXwYyviMPlhN4D56KZb3usKilNwNRNxxP5zreUCWnGzn2NLuVBODt0

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/books/review/some-people-need-killing-patricia-evangelista.html?fbclid=IwAR3oO5J4mu9MrdYxFAw9rebQvpNkoIdYjEWgAJUCYwAyzLyg5DVubmPozY4

https://cseas.yale.edu/patricia-evangelista?fbclid=IwAR2yd-De8BwUTseHaZewt6jMzZjg04nFf0UgKgoW3lr7LteiKjfGI1W15FE

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2200743/patricia-evangelista/?fbclid=IwAR2tuT9ogrwKXZWw-5axDXONtDdKfKKvZp0_9StkgX62CTMcTjLKO3_22Ok

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