In this conversation, Beth and Carmen discuss the idea that less is more and the negative effects of constantly overworking. They explore the societal pressure to work harder and the belief that success is only achieved through burnout. They question whether this mindset is true and discuss the importance of taking breaks and finding balance. They also talk about the fear of doing less and the need to prove oneself. They emphasize the importance of finding one's zone of genius and doing what feels good and fulfilling. The conversation concludes with advice on how to make intentional choices and build a support system that aligns with one's goals and values.