In this episode, Sensei Morris Doshin Sullivan talks about how Mogallana helped the Buddha bring a number of people to the truest, safest refuge. And then he shares a dharma talk he gave at White Sands Buddhist Center on the subject of Freedom. Specifically, he talks about what he has learned about freedom from his weekly trips to a state correctional institution, where he volunteers at the chapel with a group of incarcerated Buddhists.