AI agents aren’t taking over the world—but they are changing how real work gets done. In this episode, recorded live at Imagine AI Live 25, Waymark’s Nathan Labenz joins Chris Madden to talk through the current limitations and high-impact opportunities of agentic AI. Nathan breaks down the jobs already being reshaped, the design principles behind structured automation, and the ethics of systems that are smart enough to manipulate, but not smart enough to understand. A grounded, honest look at what’s working—and what’s not.

(0:00) Welcome Nathan Labenz

(2:50) The role of AI Agents in business

(4:27) Structured workflows might be the next big thing in AI

(8:34) AI's impact in the labor industry

(11:09) What do people really want?

(16:37) AI and podcasts

(17:34) Nathan's jump to the Turpentine Network

(19:40) Creating a common ground for AI