What does it actually look like to build an AI-native product and lead an engineering team through the AI era when you've been doing it longer than most? Rob Zuber sits down with Loïc Houssier, CTO at Superhuman, to talk about what it meant to be an AI company before AI was everywhere, and how that early foundation shapes the way they build, ship, and think today.

The conversation covers how Loïc drove AI tool adoption across his engineering org without mandates (and which senior engineer's change of heart became a cultural turning point), why great UX is still the real moat in an age where anyone can ship an average product fast, and how email, despite everything, remains the connective tissue of professional life. Plus: what it's like to rethink your entire SDLC when the economics of building software change overnight.

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