AI DevOps Podcast

Daniel Roth is a Principal Product Manager on the ASP.NET team working on ASP.NET Core, Blazor, and other web features. He has previously worked on various parts of .NET, including System.Net, WCF, XAML, and ASP.NET. His passions include building frameworks for modern Web frameworks that are simple and easy to use.

Topics of Discussion:

[3:15] Daniel shares his journey from back-end services to front-end development and his role in making .NET open-source and cross-platform.

[6:10] Blazor and its impact on development.

[8:32] A few of the strengths we get with .NET.

[9:24] .NET 9 and performance improvements.

[12:45] .NET 10 Preview 1 and new features.

[17:32] Architectural guidance for Blazor applications.

[30:17] The importance of handling state persistence to avoid memory bloat and security issues.

[32:32] Observability and telemetry in Blazor.

[36:28] Is the nature of the UI web user interface changing as we integrate AI technology and large language models and agents?

[37:12] Integration of AI and Generative AI in Blazor.

[37:38] The new Microsoft Extensions AI library for interfacing with chat services in .NET applications.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo

Ep 274 with Daniel Roth

Daniel Roth LinkedIn

What's New for ASP.NET Core Blazor in .NET9

Daniel Roth — Author in .NET Blog

Performance Improvements in .NET9

.NET Preview 1 is now available!

ASP.NET Core in .NET 10 Preview 1 — Release Notes

ASP.NET Core Roadmap for .NET 10 #59443

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Daniel Roth is a Principal Product Manager on the ASP.NET team working on ASP.NET Core, Blazor, and other web features. He has previously worked on various parts of .NET, including System.Net, WCF, XAML, and ASP.NET. His passions include building frameworks for modern Web frameworks that are simple and easy to use.

Topics of Discussion:

[3:15] Daniel shares his journey from back-end services to front-end development and his role in making .NET open-source and cross-platform.

[6:10] Blazor and its impact on development.

[8:32] A few of the strengths we get with .NET.

[9:24] .NET 9 and performance improvements.

[12:45] .NET 10 Preview 1 and new features.

[17:32] Architectural guidance for Blazor applications.

[30:17] The importance of handling state persistence to avoid memory bloat and security issues.

[32:32] Observability and telemetry in Blazor.

[36:28] Is the nature of the UI web user interface changing as we integrate AI technology and large language models and agents?

[37:12] Integration of AI and Generative AI in Blazor.

[37:38] The new Microsoft Extensions AI library for interfacing with chat services in .NET applications.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo

Ep 274 with Daniel Roth

Daniel Roth LinkedIn

What's New for ASP.NET Core Blazor in .NET9

Daniel Roth — Author in .NET Blog

Performance Improvements in .NET9

.NET Preview 1 is now available!

ASP.NET Core in .NET 10 Preview 1 — Release Notes

ASP.NET Core Roadmap for .NET 10 #59443

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Dustin is a Principal Software Engineer at Microsoft. He works on enhancing .NET tooling and contributing to the design of the next version of C# as part of the language design team. Prior to his current role, he spent several years working as a program manager on Project Roslyn. He also contributed in a strong way to the Razor UI framework. He recently presented a session at .NET Conf 2024 on What's new in C# 13.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:04] Fun fact: Dustin has a jazz guitar performance degree!

[3:39] The unique appeal of C#.

[5:06] Evolution of C# and its features.

[10:48] Impact of Async and Await on C#.

[13:17] The compatibility of C# 13 with older .NET versions, specifically .NET 8.

[15:04] How developers can leverage the latest C# features while still targeting older .NET frameworks, and the challenges associated with runtime support for new language capabilities.

[17:04] Hacking the C# compiler.

[17:28] The evolution of records from their initial introduction to the added features.

[18:46] Records vs. Classes in C#.

[22:51] AI's influence on developer productivity.

[25:46] The future of AI developer tools.

[33:26] The need for better support for testing with large language models and other AI-driven dependencies.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo

The Five Pillars: Leadership For Effective Custom Software, by Jeffrey Palermo

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Dustin Campbell on LinkedIn

.NET Conf 2024: What's New in C#13

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Dustin is a Principal Software Engineer at Microsoft. He works on enhancing .NET tooling and contributing to the design of the next version of C# as part of the language design team. Prior to his current role, he spent several years working as a program manager on Project Roslyn. He also contributed in a strong way to the Razor UI framework. He recently presented a session at .NET Conf 2024 on What's new in C# 13.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:04] Fun fact: Dustin has a jazz guitar performance degree!

[3:39] The unique appeal of C#.

[5:06] Evolution of C# and its features.

[10:48] Impact of Async and Await on C#.

[13:17] The compatibility of C# 13 with older .NET versions, specifically .NET 8.

[15:04] How developers can leverage the latest C# features while still targeting older .NET frameworks, and the challenges associated with runtime support for new language capabilities.

[17:04] Hacking the C# compiler.

[17:28] The evolution of records from their initial introduction to the added features.

[18:46] Records vs. Classes in C#.

[22:51] AI's influence on developer productivity.

[25:46] The future of AI developer tools.

[33:26] The need for better support for testing with large language models and other AI-driven dependencies.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo 

The Five Pillars: Leadership For Effective Custom Software, by Jeffrey Palermo 

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Dustin Campbell on LinkedIn

.NET Conf 2024: What's New in C#13

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Scott Nichols is a Principal Cloud Solutions Architect at Microsoft. He works for the commercial enterprise division serving the high-tech division out of Silicon Valley. He is also the leader of the .NET and the Azure user groups in Boise, Idaho. He started his career in the IT profession in 1993 as a mainframe and web developer. Since then, he has served as a Lead Software Engineer/Solution Architect, a Software Development Engineering Manager, a Sr. Cloud Software Solution Architect, and a Sr. Enterprise Solution Architect. When not at the keyboard, he loves the outdoors hunting, camping, fishing, archery, and working in the yard.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:03] Generative AI's turning point.

[5:52] Bridging the AI coding gap.

[6:39] Scott explains the shift in project workloads to generative AI-based projects, both customer-facing and internal.

[7:25] Networking companies using AI to analyze telemetry data and create new products.

[8:49] Azure AI Foundry is a web portal that allows developers to spin up Azure Compute and access over 1800 models.

[13:00] Although a "Cloud Guy," Scott values his on-prem hardware as a playground for learning and experimenting with AI tools.

[15:04] The benefits of using open source or on-prem tools to start working with AI without incurring cloud costs right away.

[15:40] The rapid pace of innovation.

[20:41] An example of Khan Academy using AI to create an online tutor, requiring significant prompt engineering to ensure accurate responses.

[27:12] AI agents monitoring AI agents.

[27:59] AI's limitations and opportunities.

[31:56] Testing strategies for AI-Integrated systems.

[35:37] The future of AI and how it's a great time to be in AI.

[39:35] Great advice for the next generation of developers and software engineers.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo

The Five Pillars: Leadership For Effective Custom Software, by Jeffrey Palermo

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Ep 116 with Scott Nichols

Scott Nichols LinkedIn

Scott Nichols Twitter

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Scott Nichols is a Principal Cloud Solutions Architect at Microsoft. He works for the commercial enterprise division serving the high-tech division out of Silicon Valley. He is also the leader of the .NET and the Azure user groups in Boise, Idaho. He started his career in the IT profession in 1993 as a mainframe and web developer. Since then, he has served as a Lead Software Engineer/Solution Architect, a Software Development Engineering Manager, a Sr. Cloud Software Solution Architect, and a Sr. Enterprise Solution Architect. When not at the keyboard, he loves the outdoors hunting, camping, fishing, archery, and working in the yard.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:03] Generative AI's turning point.

[5:52] Bridging the AI coding gap.

[6:39] Scott explains the shift in project workloads to generative AI-based projects, both customer-facing and internal.

[7:25] Networking companies using AI to analyze telemetry data and create new products.

[8:49] Azure AI Foundry is a web portal that allows developers to spin up Azure Compute and access over 1800 models.

[13:00] Although a "Cloud Guy," Scott values his on-prem hardware as a playground for learning and experimenting with AI tools.

[15:04] The benefits of using open source or on-prem tools to start working with AI without incurring cloud costs right away.

[15:40] The rapid pace of innovation.

[20:41] An example of Khan Academy using AI to create an online tutor, requiring significant prompt engineering to ensure accurate responses.

[27:12] AI agents monitoring AI agents.

[27:59] AI's limitations and opportunities.

[31:56] Testing strategies for AI-Integrated systems.

[35:37] The future of AI and how it's a great time to be in AI.

[39:35] Great advice for the next generation of developers and software engineers.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo 

The Five Pillars: Leadership For Effective Custom Software, by Jeffrey Palermo 

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Ep 116 with Scott Nichols

Scott Nichols LinkedIn

Scott Nichols Twitter

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Shaun Walker is the founder and CEO of Devessence, a global technology consultancy with a boutique approach. He's also the founder of the Oqtane and DotNetNuke web application frameworks, which have earned the recognition of being amongst the most pioneering and widely adopted open-source projects native to the Microsoft platform. He has over 30 years of professional experience in architecting and implementing enterprise software solutions for private and public organizations.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:38] While AI can be a useful tool, it won't replace the need for traditional programming.

[8:32] The gap between mainstream AI messaging and the reality of digital transformation.

[9:22] While AI is a significant advancement, it should be seen as just another tool in a developer's toolkit.

[9:39] The history and evolution of Blazor.

[13:31] The versatility of Blazor and its ability to adapt to various hosting models make it a powerful tool for different types of applications.

[14:06] Challenges and best practices in Blazor development.

[16:26] The decision to make Blazor official and its impact on the .NET ecosystem.

[18:12] The evolution of Blazor Server vs. Blazor WebAssembly and why both are still relevant.

[21:06] When to use Blazor Static, Blazor Server, or Blazor WebAssembly, based on project needs.

[24:17] The tendency for technologists to be critics without actually using the technologies.

[34:36] The advantages of Octane and why it streamlines Blazor development.

[39:56] The TrailBlazor Conference.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Devessence

Shaun on X

DNN Software

GitHub

Oqtane Philosophy

ErrorBoundary and Logging in Blazor

Oqtane

TrailBlazor Conference

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Shaun Walker is the founder and CEO of Devessence, a global technology consultancy with a boutique approach. He's also the founder of the Oqtane and DotNetNuke web application frameworks, which have earned the recognition of being amongst the most pioneering and widely adopted open-source projects native to the Microsoft platform. He has over 30 years of professional experience in architecting and implementing enterprise software solutions for private and public organizations.

Topics of Discussion:

[4:38] While AI can be a useful tool, it won't replace the need for traditional programming.

[8:32] The gap between mainstream AI messaging and the reality of digital transformation.

[9:22] While AI is a significant advancement, it should be seen as just another tool in a developer's toolkit.

[9:39] The history and evolution of Blazor.

[13:31] The versatility of Blazor and its ability to adapt to various hosting models make it a powerful tool for different types of applications.

[14:06] Challenges and best practices in Blazor development.

[16:26] The decision to make Blazor official and its impact on the .NET ecosystem.

[18:12] The evolution of Blazor Server vs. Blazor WebAssembly and why both are still relevant.

[21:06] When to use Blazor Static, Blazor Server, or Blazor WebAssembly, based on project needs.

[24:17] The tendency for technologists to be critics without actually using the technologies.

[34:36] The advantages of Octane and why it streamlines Blazor development.

[39:56] The TrailBlazor Conference.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Devessence

Shaun on X

DNN Software

GitHub

Oqtane Philosophy

ErrorBoundary and Logging in Blazor

Oqtane

TrailBlazor Conference

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Matt McCleary is a Senior Product Manager at Microsoft working on observability tools to empower developers to be successful. Matt started his career in engineering and has worked in tech for 10 years, the latest 8 at Microsoft. He's been on the Azure Monitor team for most of that time. His passion is listening to customers and finding ways to make the product better. In his spare time, he finds himself coaching his 8-year-old son's basketball team and playing in an adult men's basketball league.

Topics of Discussion:

[3:26] Matt recounts his early interest in engineering and a pivotal moment during a college tour, along with his transition from civil engineering to business intelligence consulting, which led him to telemetry.

[6:29] The strategy around Azure Monitor.

[10:04] The three pillars of logs, traces, and metrics.

[15:02] Recording custom metrics.

[17:29] What is a distributed trace?

[24:08] The concept of a custom event.

[27:29] Future plans for Azure Monitor.

[31:04] Integration with .NET Aspire.

[34:04] Guidance on the best practices for Azure Monitor.

[36:40] Application insights resources.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Matthew McCleary LinkedIn

Matt McCleary Twitter

Matt McCleary Github

Announcing Azure Monitor OpenTelemetry Distro

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Matt McCleary is a Senior Product Manager at Microsoft working on observability tools to empower developers to be successful. Matt started his career in engineering and has worked in tech for 10 years, the latest 8 at Microsoft. He's been on the Azure Monitor team for most of that time. His passion is listening to customers and finding ways to make the product better. In his spare time, he finds himself coaching his 8-year-old son's basketball team and playing in an adult men's basketball league.

Topics of Discussion:

[3:26] Matt recounts his early interest in engineering and a pivotal moment during a college tour, along with his transition from civil engineering to business intelligence consulting, which led him to telemetry.

[6:29] The strategy around Azure Monitor.

[10:04] The three pillars of logs, traces, and metrics.

[15:02] Recording custom metrics.

[17:29] What is a distributed trace?

[24:08] The concept of a custom event.

[27:29] Future plans for Azure Monitor.

[31:04] Integration with .NET Aspire.

[34:04] Guidance on the best practices for Azure Monitor.

[36:40] Application insights resources.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Clear Measure Way

Architect Forum

Software Engineer Forum

Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at [email protected].

Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Matthew McCleary LinkedIn

Matt McCleary Twitter

Matt McCleary Github

Announcing Azure Monitor OpenTelemetry Distro

Want to Learn More?

Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.