Todd Smith is a board-certified appellate lawyer in Texas who consults with trial teams and handles appeals. In this conversation, he explains how AI tools are changing his work—and where they hit their limits.

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Draft and review contracts 10x faster ➞ try it free: https://www.spellbook.legal 𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀: 0:00 - Introduction 1:42 - Todd's appellate practice model 6:10 - AI collaboration challenges 9:15 - Analyzing trial transcripts with AI 14:57 - Finding arguments vs. knowing what to do with them 19:03 - Small data sets and judgment calls 24:50 - Why hourly billing is breaking down 28:04 - Flat fee experiments 31:23 - Marketing as an AI quick win 34:19 - Connect with Todd

Before "AI automation" was a buzzword, Joey Vitale built Indie Law to operate without him. That experience—paired with years helping lawyers scale through virtual assistants—turned him into a quiet expert on systems, delegation, and identity. In this episode, he and host Mike Whelan dig into what happens when the work that once defined you starts running itself, and why the real value of a lawyer might have less to do with tasks and more to do with trust.

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0:00 - Introduction

2:15 - Why Joey left litigation

5:34 - The crisis that forced systematization

8:27 - Four stages: doer to strategist

14:44 - Managing VAs prepares you for AI

19:42 - Prompting AI effectively

24:15 - 80% right is 100% awesome

32:51 - Redefining lawyer identity

36:20 - Why clients still need attorneys

Alessandra Colaci helps in-house legal teams figure out how to actually use AI—not just talk about it. As the founder of Legal Plus AI and former founding marketer at Harvey, she's spent years teaching lawyers to prompt, experiment, and integrate AI into their daily work. In this conversation, she breaks down the quick wins that build momentum, the security concerns that keep lawyers up at night, and why most teams need to start smaller than they think. 💎 𝗦𝗽𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸: Draft and review contracts 10x faster ➞ try it free: https://www.spellbook.legal 𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀: 0:00 - Introduction 1:10 - Meet Alessandra Colaci 2:34 - The adoption gap: Strategy vs. reality 3:42 - Micro-learning and experimentation 6:04 - Quick wins 6:54 - Using AI as a thought partner 11:32 - The "prompt library" approach 13:48 - What to try on your own vs. with the team 17:18 - What's real vs. what's fear 22:53 - When courts will catch up to AI as standard practice 24:27 - Learning what works for you 27:34 - Connect with Alessandra

Beau Atkins runs Evolve Family Law in Saskatchewan, Canada, where he's using AI to reach the 79% of people with legal problems who never hire a lawyer. In this conversation, he shares how he built an AI-assisted tool that guides self-represented clients through court processes — and how he's testing an AI agent to handle intake calls. His end goal? Serve with three lawyers what would normally take 300.

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0:00 - Introduction 1:14 - Meet Beau Atkins 2:15 - The journey from frustrated lawyer to entrepreneur 5:34 - AI experiments in family law practice 8:27 - Solving the 79% problem 14:44 - Ethics, disclaimers, and hallucinations 19:42 - What clients really want (and don't get) 27:58 - Product design: Flat fees and AI tools 30:25 - Learning from COVID experiments 32:51 - How Beau uses AI today 33:33 - Connect with Beau

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