What does it mean to be "fully human" in an age of distraction? Iconographer Aidan Hart challenges our modern separation between religion and spirituality, suggesting that true fulfilment comes not from being "religious" but from living as God intended. Through the metaphor of a light bulb that needs electricity to shine, he illustrates how connection with the divine activates our fullest potential.

The conversation explores how contemporary life keeps us constantly busy, preventing the attention needed to see God in creation. Aidan, who created the screen for King Charles III's coronation, shares how traditional iconography serves not merely as art to observe but as faces looking back at us - reminding us that God sees us even when we're unaware. This mutual recognition forms the heart of authentic human connection, reflected in the podcast's name "Sunny Banana" - inspired by the Zulu greeting "Sanibonani" meaning "I see you."

When discussing the relationship between religion and spirituality, Aidan builds on the metaphor: spirituality as flowing water, religion as riverbanks giving direction. Without boundaries, spiritual energy disperses aimlessly, but with proper channels, it nurtures everything it touches. The conversation weaves through fascinating territory - from the meaning of symbols to the threefold ministry of prophet, priest, and king reflected in art-making.

Throughout, Aidan returns to thanksgiving as central to human fulfilment. The fall of humanity essentially involves taking creation without acknowledging the Giver. A thankless attitude leads to consumption without connection - we grab the gift but run from the relationship. In contrast, gratitude opens our eyes to see the world as "theophany" - every element of creation revealing divine presence. For those seeking deeper meaning, Aidan invites courage and honesty: "Becoming a Christian is an intelligent step forward," not abandoning rationality but transcending its limitations.

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