In this episode of Conversations, I sit down with Al Gordon, pastor of SAINT Church and author of Spark, to talk about the lie many people believe: “I’m not creative.”

We explore why creativity is central to being made in the image of God, how the Church has lost its edge in this area, and what it looks like to rediscover imagination, execution, and collaboration in today’s world.

If you’re a pastor, leader, or creative, this conversation will help you unlock your God-given creativity and take your next step with clarity and confidence.

If this conversation resonates with you, I’d strongly encourage you to pick up Al’s book Spark: