The second part of Jonny’s chat with the great Alan Cumming ranges from why black joy, queer joy and trans joy feels like an act of resistance - to dealing with Joan Collins in his dressing room after playing a concentration camp inmate in Bent. It goes from going under while playing Hamlet to going under, naked, in an onstage swimming pool after singing George Michael’s 'Father Figure' - and emerging with eczema. It includes a discussion of saying the most explosive word onstage, completely committing to something you don’t think works and how people’s reaction to his penis gave him the idea for his new one man show. Facelifts, freedom and remembering Alan’s smile from the opening night of Sam Mendes Cabaret at the Donmar in 1993, the first time the world met his unforgettable MC. 

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