Dennis Doran interviews Alastair Boulding, a construction sciences and management teacher and master tradesperson. They discuss the challenges of attracting young people to the trades, the importance of diversity in the industry, and the role of representation in leadership positions. Al shares his experiences and insights from his 20 years in the trades, his apprenticeship journey, and his current teaching role. He also emphasizes the importance of inclusion and belonging in the industry, and shares his research on these topics. The conversation ends with a discussion on the impact of language and culture on diversity and representation.