In this conversation, Brian Karem speaks with Alexander Vindman about his new book, 'The Folly of Realism,' which critiques the West's approach to Russia and its implications for Ukraine. Vindman discusses the historical context of US-Russia relations, the current state of the war in Ukraine, and the impact of Trump's foreign policy. He emphasizes the need for a long-term strategy that prioritizes democratic values and alliances over short-term gains. The conversation also touches on the internal dynamics of the Trump administration and the potential for future political shifts in the US.

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