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If you haven't listened to part 1 of this episode, we recommend doing so before listening to this episode! In part 2, we continue the conversation about literacy by taking a deep dive into some of the studies that have informed recent articles announcing the doom of literacy and reading. Specifically, we grapple with the source material for the viral Atlantic article, "The End of Reading is Here." We then look at some other (and in our opinion more credible) sources for statistics about this topic in the U.S. and discuss the slightly less clickbait-y but still concerning reality of literacy and numeracy rates in the past decade plus. 

We also talk about what we can all do about this. Although the trajectory of literacy in the age of social media and generative AI is sobering, there is reason to feel empowered and hopeful! We hope you'll join us and weigh in on this important topic that affects us all in so many ways. 

Sources (roughly in order of discussion, not importance):

• https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/08/reading-crisis-postliterate-age/687618/?mc_cid=abbccafaa6 
• https://news.gallup.com/poll/388541/americans-reading-fewer-books-past.aspx
• https://lindac.substack.com/p/are-books-dying-in-america?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
• https://www.arts.gov/sites/default/files/2022-SPPA-final.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email 
• https://aeon.co/essays/what-we-think-is-a-decline-in-literacy-is-a-design-problem
• The decline in reading for pleasure over 20 years of the American Time Use Survey: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12496190/ 
• The Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC) Highlights: https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/2023/national_results.asp 
• National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) Long-Term Trends: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/2025/ 
• Among many U.S. children, reading for fun has become less common, federal data shows: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/12/among-many-u-s-children-reading-for-fun-has-become-less-common-federal-data-shows/
• Who doesn’t read books in America? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesnt-read-books-in-america/
• https://techwontsave.us/episode/277_generative_ai_is_not_inevitable_w_emily_m_bender_and_alex_hanna  

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If you read the news or look at social media, you've probably heard that the U.S. is in the throes of a literacy crisis. Are we? And what do we even mean when we say 'literacy?' Join as we unpack this topic in a special two-part episode. In this first part, we discuss the history of books and reading, the definition of literacy, and how our digital age informs (and possibly changes?) what we mean when we talk about literacy. This is not limited to, but certainly includes generative AI, which has all sorts of impacts on skills and mental processes directly related to literacy.

Books we're reading:

• Girl on Girl by Sophie Gilbert
• The Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson Burnett [narrated by Carrie Hope Fletcher]
• The Terminal List by Jack Carr [narrated by Ray Porter]
• The House of Hidden Letters by Izzy Broom
• The Charity Shop Detective Agency by Peter Boland

Sources:

• Lyons, M. (2011). Books : a living history. J. Paul Getty Museum.
• https://ourworldindata.org/literacy 
• https://www.discoveryuk.com/features/scribes-scholars-and-stories-the-history-of-literacy/ 
• https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6
• https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
• https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6097646
• https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/bitstreams/37e73890-d0cf-48fe-8b3a-fbb1de9abd85/download
• https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109675162400040X 
• https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/mac/9/4/475/ 
• https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2026/02/24/how-teens-use-and-view-ai/

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We're back with our annual year-end reading round up. Join us as we talk about our year in reading, our favorite books of 2025, the big stories in the world of books and publishing (probably not a spoiler: AI), and what we're looking forward to reading in 2026. 

We also talk about the pros and cons of different reading tracking apps and audiobook listening apps, how reading tastes can change over time, and how culling a TBR can feel just as cathartic as physically de-cluttering your life. This annual reflection has become one our favorite conversations to have! We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.
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Books we talk about in this episode: 

Our favorite books of 2025:

• Robin Hobb!
• Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell
• The Which Way Tree by Elizabeth Crook
• Tom Lake by Anne Patchett (read by Meryl Streep)
• A Lady's Guide to Scandal by Sophie Irwin
• The Island of Missing Trees by Elif Shafak

Already published books we want to read in 2026:

• All That Life Can Afford by Emily Everett 
• Murder for Miss Hortense by Mel Pennet 
• Is A River Alive by Robert MacFarlane
• The Overstory by Richard Powers
• Consider Yourself Kissed by Jessica Stanley
• Death at the White Hart by Chris Chibnall
• Jane Austen’s Bookshelf by Rebecca Romney 
• The Frozen River by Ariel Lawhon 
• The Correspondent by Virgina Evans 
• I Who Have Never Known Men by Jacqueline Harpman 
• Lifeform by Jenny Slate 
• The God of the Woods by Liz Moore
• Great Big Beautiful Life by Emily Henry 
• Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmare’s in Sam Altman’s OpenAI by Karen Hao 
• Moby Dick by Herman Melville
• The Earthsea Series by Ursula Le Guin

Books being published in 2026 we want to read:

• The Astral Library by Kate Quinn (Feb)
• The Book Witch by Meg Shaffer (April)
• American Fantasy by Emma Straub (April)
• The Night We Met by Abby Jimenez (March)
• Land by Maggie O'Farrell (June)
• Whistler by Ann Patchett (June)
• Dead Beat by Leigh Bardugo (September)

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Sources 

• Anthropic to pay authors $1.5B to settle lawsuit over pirated chatbot training material: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-settlement-pirated-chatbot-training-material
• Bone, J. K., Bu, F., Sonke, J. K., & Fancourt, D. (2025). The decline in reading for pleasure over 20 years of the American Time Use Survey. iScience, 28(9), https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(25)01549-4

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In this episode, we are lucky enough to talk with author Zoe B. Wallbrook about her critically acclaimed debut novel, History Lessons. It's a clever, witty mystery on its surface that touches on deeper, more challenging issues with what the New York Times calls "a satirical bite." It also has a sweet romantic subplot that we are here for!

It was Library Journal's Mystery Debut of the Month in July, and was chosen as one of The Best Debut Crime Novels of 2025 by Crime Reads Magazine and one of The 10 Best Mystery Novels of 2025 by The New York Times Review of Books.

Elizabeth met Zoe in 2019 and since then they have been critique partners and friends, which makes this conversation extra special. Join us to hear about the books Zoe loves, her journey to becoming a writer, how she navigates the publishing industry while still holding onto the joy she finds from writing, and how she feels about her writing being categorized as "cozy." We also chat about diversity in the mystery genre and how Zoe and her publisher, Soho Press, think about all the various threads in her writing as a feature, not a bug.

You won't want to miss this thoughtful and wide-ranging conversation with the always insightful Zoe B. Wallbrook and two of her fangirls.

Find Zoe on Instagram @zbwallbrook or at her website: https://www.zoebwallbrook.com/. And buy History Lessons wherever books are sold!

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Books we're reading in this episode:

Piranesi by Susanna Clarke

In Winter I Get Up at Night by Jane Urquhart

A Murder for Miss Hortense by Mel Pennant

Martyr! by Kaveh Akbar

Brothers Sinister Series by Courtney Milan

Lord of Scoundrels by Loretta Chase

The Poppy War trilogy by R.F. Kuang

A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik

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Something about this season of cold weather and long, dark nights makes us want to read mysteries. Whether you like 'em cozy, hard-boiled, or realistic and by the book, there's something in this genre for everyone. Join us as we follow the clues to learn about the history, make-up, and readers of the mystery genre.

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Sources: 

https://web.archive.org/web/20090719003858/http://www.historyofthemystery.com/crime_and_punishment.php?page=35 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_fiction

https://americanwritersmuseum.org/many-writers-many-forms-mystery/

https://web.archive.org/web/20090719004017/

https://lithub.com/agatha-christie-is-the-best-selling-novelist-in-history/

https://archive.org/details/sim_publishers-weekly_1929-10-05_116_14/page/1728/mode/2up 

https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/popular-mystery-tropes-for-writers

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/print/20090504/4567-some-like-it-mild-cozy-mysteries.html 

Moser, S. & Xhignesse, M. (2023). A Garden of One’s Own. Feminist Philosophy Quarterly, 9(1). https://doaj.org/article/c742434a58f74246a086d0fcfc90416b 

Vester, K. (2015). Bodies to Die for: Negotiating the Ideal Female Body in Cozy Mystery Novels. Journal of Popular Culture, 48(1), 31–43.

https://bookriot.com/diverse-cozy-mysteries/

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Have you ever wondered why we have "summer reads" but not winter or spring or fall reads? We both had various associations with "summer reading," namely from being kids out of school and having the languorous expanse of the summer stretching out in front of us. But we wondered what is really behind this phenomenon. Join us to find out more and hear about our own summer TBR lists.

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Books we're reading in this episode:   

Dragon Haven (Rain Wild Chronicles 2) by Robin Hobb
Swift and Saddled by (Rebel Blue Ranch #2) by Lyla Sage
Morbidly Yours by Ivy Fairbanks
The Last Devil to Die by Richard Osman 
How to Seal Your Own Fate by Kristen Perrin

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Sources listed in the order they appear in the episode:

• https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/books/a-brief-history-of-summer-reading.html 
• https://www.npr.org/2025/05/20/nx-s1-5405022/fake-summer-reading-list-ai
• https://lindac.substack.com/p/why-do-writers-use-ai 
• https://lithub.com/50-of-the-greatest-summer-novels-of-all-time/ 

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Elizabeth just got back from a trip that included a day in the Original Book Town, Hay-on-Wye in Wales in the UK. It was adorable and she went to more bookstores than you can shake a stick at. It also made her wonder what other bookish vacations she could go on. When we started to dig into this idea for this episode, we found out that the answer is: a lot! 

Join us in daydreaming about bookish trips to literary festivals, literary museums, bookish hotels, famous libraries, a friends reading retreat, and more!

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Books we're reading in this episode:  

• Dragon Keeper by Robin Hobb (Rain Wild Chronicles #1)
• Voyage of the Basilisk–A Memoir by Lady Trent by Marie Brennan (The Memoirs of Lady Trent #3)
• 84, Charing Cross Road by Helene Hanff
• The Bullet that Missed by Richard Osman (Thursday Murder Club #3)

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Sources:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hay-on-Wye
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_town 
• https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/apr/26/10-worlds-best-book-towns-france-spain-south-korea-usa 
• https://www.hayfestival.com/hay-on-wye/home
• https://www.hay-on-wye.co.uk/tourism/bookshops 
• https://themelodramaticbookworm.com/2023/07/18/bookish-places-on-my-travel-bucket-list/ 
• https://www.buenosairesfreewalks.com/what-to-see/el-ateneo-bookstore/ 
• https://www.cntraveler.com/story/book-fairs-to-travel-for 
• https://bookriot.com/bookish-cities/ 
• https://libraryhotel.com/en/ 
• https://bookandbedtokyo.com/en/ 
• https://www.hotelsylvia.com/ 
• https://theeverygirl.com/reading-retreat-trip-idea/ 

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Have you heard about the IMLS (Institute of Museum and Library Services) in the news lately? An Executive Order in mid-March ordered it be "eliminated to the maximum extent consistent with applicable law" and there has been a lot of conversation about it since. But this agency was relatively low profile politically until recently, so many people might not know much about it. 

On this episode we talk about what the IMLS is, what it does (and what it does not do), its history and mission, what our communities stand to lose with its elimination, and what you can do to support libraries and museums. You won't want to miss this important and relevant conversation! 

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Books we're reading in this episode:  

• Murder in Postscript by Mary Winters
• Tom Lake by Ann Patchett
• Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
• The Man Who Died Twice by Richard Osman (Thursday Murder Club #2)
• Brisingr by Christopher Paolini (The Inheritance Cycle #3) 
• Evvie Drake Starts Over by Linda Holmes

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Sources:

• Houpert, Cécile. 2019. “The New Role of Libraries: Places for All”. European Journal of Creative Practices in Cities and Landscapes 2 (2): 175–184. https://doi.org/10.6092/issn.2612-0496/10429 
• https://apnews.com/article/institute-doge-musk-museum-library-services-executive-order-trump-30ebde013ce3e9f97e2f4af72c869c0b
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Museum_and_Library_Services
• https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-79/pdf/STATUTE-79-Pg845.pdf
• https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/continuing-the-reduction-of-the-federal-bureaucracy/ 
• https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/21/trump-attack-libraries-devastating
• https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2016/04/07/libraries-and-learning/

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How to help:

EveryLibrary petition: https://www.everylibrary.org/statementimls2025 

ALA Call on Congress to Protect IMLS phone script: https://app.oneclickpolitics.com/campaign-page?cid=2CzAyJUB9sorxFLO5KSZ&lang=en 

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Have you ever wondered what it would be like to work in a bookstore? According to Rebecca, bookseller and events manager at the independent bookstore Fireside Books, who we interview for this episode, it's a lot like playing a video game! 

Join us to find out what she means by this, and also hear her talk about so many other interesting parts of her job, including how her work affects her reading, what it's like managing a book club, how her store and other indies are dealing with AI, and the things she wishes everyone knew about indie bookstores.

(Side note: can someone actually develop a video game where we can play working in a bookstore?!)

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Books we're reading in this episode:   

• Land of Milk and Honey by C. Pam Zhang
• The Astrology House by Carinn Jade
• A Lady's Guide to Scandal by Sophie Irwin
• Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
• The Giver of Stars by Jojo Moyes
• We All Live Here by Jojo Moyes 
• Onyx Storm by Rebecca Yarros

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Rebecca's book recommendations about indie bookstores:

• How to Resist Amazon and Why by Danny Caine
• How to Protect Bookstores and Why: The Present and Future of Bookselling  by Danny Caine 

Find out more about Fireside Books: https://www.goodbooksbadcoffee.com/

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We were planning to talk about our reading habits and rituals in this episode...but then Elizabeth heard an NPR podcast about how no one reads anymore, at the same time as Martha read multiple articles about how more people bought Rebecca Yarros' latest book than any adult book since records began and that thanks to TikTok, Barnes & Noble is opening more stores this year. We had to ask ourselves: how could both of these things be true?

Join as we try to sort fact from moral panic, discuss the gendered media narratives around book releases by women authors and the loss of literary men, debunk an oft-repeated (even by us) statistic about reading, and ponder whether reading has indeed become a niche hobby. We do also, eventually, talk about the struggles we both face with reading and the habits and rituals we've developed to help fit reading into our lives.

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Books we're reading in this episode:   

All Fours by Miranda July 
A Lady’s Guide to Scandal by Sophie Irwin
The Women by Kristin Hannah
I Ran Away to Evil 2 by Mystic Neptune
Onyx Storm by Rebecca Yarros
This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone

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Sources listed in the order they appear in the episode :

• https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1263527033
• Irwin, William. "Reading Audio Books." Philosophy and Literature 33, no. 2 (2009): 358-368. doi:10.1353/phl.0.0057.
• https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/03/romantasy-and-booktok-driving-a-huge-rise-in-science-fiction-and-fantasy-sales
• https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/booktok-barnes-and-noble-60-stores/
• https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/books/rebecca-yarros-onyx-storm.html 
• https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/06/three-in-ten-americans-now-read-e-books/
• https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/25/books/sally-rooney-intermezzo.html 
• https://www.vox.com/culture/392971/men-reading-fiction-statistics-fact-checked
• https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/opinion/men-fiction-novels.html 

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