Matthieu Paley has spent his career walking — thousands of kilometers through the Karakoram, Hindu Kush, and Pamir mountains, photographing communities on the fringes of the map for National Geographic. He speaks eight languages, lived 13 months in northern Pakistan on a one-way ticket, and built a life around the exact things a classroom once told him he was bad at. What he didn't know, until about five months before this recording, was that there was a name for the way his brain works. His son called it first ("Papa, you're full ADHD"), and then a string of volunteers on his land in Portugal — strangers who clocked him within half an hour.
Laurel visits Matthieu on that land, half an hour south of Lisbon, where he has planted some 1,500 trees, uncovered hidden springs beneath 40 years of dumped trash, and turned an overgrazed hillside into a food forest — a project he describes as the ultimate medicine for a hyperactive brain. Over the sound of running spring water, they talk about how walking for weeks on end recalibrates him chemically, why he says he'd have been "a super productive hunter" 10,000 years ago, and his complicated, very French relationship with diagnosis and medication — which he uses only rarely, and still half-suspects is cheating.
They also get into his scathing view of conventional schooling ("you're teaching 25 kids the same way — in what world are they all the same?"), why he and his wife chose self-directed learning for their sons, the case for letting kids be bored, the depression that hit him in business school when the world seemed to have no place for him, and the advice he'd give his younger self: in the end, everything will be all right — and if it's not all right, it's not the end.
🎙️ Guest: Matthieu Paley — National Geographic photographer and explorer, Palmela, Portugal
🧠 All My Friends Have ADHD is hosted by journalist and filmmaker Laurel Chor.
📍 Recorded on Feb. 28, 2026, in Palmela, Portugal
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