We're referring to manufacturers ex players. We have another great show this week. Our friend Ben Kurowski joins the show for some player speculation and signings. He also tells the story about leaking the Emerson Keith signing by Lone Star Discs. Shane shares an email conversation he received from a listener. "Throw, Hang or Flip", 'Random Question of the Week" and Door Disc Golf shop update make up the rest of the show. We every one has a good holiday season.