Always Be Testing

In this episode, we sit down with Scott Ginsberg — VP of Performance Marketing at Penske Media, the powerhouse behind brands like Rolling Stone, Billboard, Variety, and Robb Report. With two decades in affiliate and performance marketing (including leadership roles at BrandCycle, CJ, and Yahoo), Scott breaks down how the industry evolved from “coupons and last-click” into one of the most strategic levers in modern growth.

We explore how top publishers balance editorial integrity with monetization, the rise of content-commerce, how AI is reshaping traffic and attribution, why brand-publisher relationships win long-term, and the underrated leadership principles that drive great teams.

This episode is a masterclass for marketers, operators, and leaders navigating a shifting ecosystem.

This episode features Adam Robinson, Founder & CEO of Retention.com, who shares his journey from finance into tech and how he built Retention.com from the ground up into a lean, high-margin SaaS serving both e-commerce and B2B brands. He talks about hitting a growth plateau around ~$3M ARR and the breakthrough that followed, the role of continuous product innovation, and how founder-led brand building on LinkedIn became a core distribution and trust engine for the company. The conversation also explores defining what “enough” truly means, designing work around the life you want to live, and his decision to relocate to Aspen to raise his family in a more intentional environment.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Amro Naddy, VP of Product and General Manager at U.S. News & World Report, where he leads digital transformation, innovation, and audience growth initiatives across one of the most trusted names in media.

With a background spanning product strategy, growth, and media leadership, Amro brings a thoughtful lens to how legacy brands can evolve without losing credibility. He shares how U.S. News balances data-driven optimization with editorial integrity — and why connecting product, marketing, and content strategy is crucial for long-term success.

Together, they dive into the future of product-led growth, what it takes to lead cross-functional teams in a complex organization, and how to measure what really matters when building products for millions of users. Amro also reflects on leadership lessons — from building psychologically safe teams to navigating change in organizations that have been around for decades.

This episode is a masterclass in modern leadership, where innovation meets trust and experimentation meets purpose.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Michael Cole, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Everflow and active member of the Performance Marketing Association’s Measurement Council. With a decade of experience leading growth and analytics in the partner and affiliate space, Michael helps brands unlock performance marketing efficiency through better data, smarter attribution, and stronger relationships between advertisers and publishers.

Their conversation dives deep into how affiliate marketing and partnerships are rapidly evolving in the age of AI and advanced measurement. Michael shares how Everflow empowers marketers to see the full picture of affiliate performance — from first click to repeat purchase — while debunking the biggest myths holding brands back. Together, they unpack how AI is reshaping discovery, what most marketers still misunderstand about attribution, and how partner programs can deliver growth that’s both scalable and sustainable.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Bob Feist — known as the Godfather of Team Roping — a legendary cowboy, entrepreneur, and rodeo announcer. A Cowboy Hall of Fame inductee and PRCA Pioneer Award winner, Bob is also the founder of Ropers Sports News, the first-ever newspaper dedicated to team roping, and the creator of The Bob Feist Invitational (BFI), the richest one-day open team roping event in the world.

In this inspiring conversation, Bob and Tye explore the Cowboy Code — a timeless set of values centered on courage, integrity, and doing what’s right — and how these principles apply to today’s business and marketing world. Bob shares stories and lessons from decades of entrepreneurship, from building a publication out of nothing to growing one of the most prestigious events in rodeo history.

They dive into how the Cowboy Code influences leadership, business ethics, and branding, as well as the importance of trust, humility, and staying true to your brand identity. Bob also discusses key entrepreneurial lessons on starting small, adapting to change, and rewarding loyalty, offering timeless wisdom on integrity, perseverance, and leading with purpose.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Bryn Jones, Co-founder and CEO of PartnerStack, a leading B2B SaaS partner marketing platform. Bryn has spent the past decade redefining how companies scale through partnerships, drawing from his experience growing PartnerStack from its early days at Y Combinator to becoming an industry leader. The conversation dives into the evolution of B2B partnerships and how PartnerStack is helping companies move beyond traditional sales and marketing models toward sustainable, efficient growth. Bryn shares lessons from the company’s journey—emphasizing the importance of customer feedback, culture, and adaptability—and highlights how partner teams can align closer with revenue goals. They also explore the growing role of AI and automation in partnerships, the creation of generational wealth within partner ecosystems, and why partnerships are beginning to look more like marketing in the years ahead. The episode wraps with Bryn’s reflections on leadership, humility, family, and even gardening—where he draws parallels between patience, growth, and building something that lasts.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Nicole Leffer, an AI consultant, speaker, and founder of her own AI consultancy helping marketing teams and organizations understand, adopt, and integrate generative AI tools effectively. With a background as Head of Marketing for a B2B SaaS company, Nicole began experimenting with AI tools in 2021—long before the ChatGPT boom—and has since become a trusted voice in AI strategy, training, and implementation.

Nicole shares her journey from early AI adoption in marketing to launching her consultancy, offering practical insights for brands navigating this fast-evolving landscape. The conversation explores how AI can transform marketing workflows and team productivity, why organizations should start with one tool before expanding, and the risks of “cognitive offloading” or trusting AI too much. Nicole emphasizes the importance of maintaining human oversight, communication, and critical thinking, while debunking common misconceptions about AI’s limitations and potential.

They also discuss how to train teams to use AI responsibly and creatively, the role of experimentation and continuous learning in the AI era, and why smaller, agile teams often see greater success with implementation than larger, more rigid organizations. Beyond strategy, Nicole shares her creative side—her passion for travel, music, and using tools like Sunno to compose songs—illustrating how AI can enhance both professional workflows and personal expression.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with John Toskey, a seasoned marketing leader with over 25 years of experience in global partner and performance marketing. Having held senior roles at eBay, Affirm, and Opera Software, and now running his own consulting practice, John unpacks lessons from decades of leading high-performing global marketing teams. He shares valuable insights on building diverse and sustainable teams, creating a culture of experimentation, and the importance of asking the right questions when testing. The conversation dives into why diversity in location, experience, and seniority strengthens team performance, how to avoid “talent logjams” and keep growth pathways open, and what it takes to scale a test-and-learn culture while ensuring results are properly shared. John and Tye also explore the balance between data, intuition, and executive alignment in decision-making, the evolving future of performance marketing—from BNPL to retail media to influencer backlash—and the promise and risks of AI in marketing, including generational differences in its adoption. Adding a personal touch, John opens up about his passion for cooking, vegan living, and even bird-watching apps, making this conversation both insightful and relatable.

In this episode of Always Be Testing, host Tye DeGrange sits down with Kayla Castro, Senior Manager of Affiliates & Partnerships at Zenni Optical, to talk about the evolving world of affiliate marketing. Kayla shares her experience leading affiliate programs and offers practical insights on how to audit and optimize affiliate strategies for long-term success.

The conversation covers common mistakes brands make in affiliate marketing and why internal communication is critical for gaining leadership buy-in. Kayla also dives into the complexities of measurement, breaking down MTA, MMM, incrementality, and attribution models in a way that helps marketers understand how to use the right tool for the right decision.

They explore how to balance efficiency, partner diversity, and sustainable growth while leveraging AI as a supportive tool without losing the human touch that drives authentic, trust-based relationships with partners. Beyond marketing, Kayla shares personal perspectives on travel, books, and professional growth, making the discussion both practical and relatable.

In this special episode, Tye DeGrange, CEO of Round Barn Labs and host of Always Be Testing, reflects on his journey in marketing and the timeless principles he calls the Cowboy Code. Drawing from his upbringing on a California ranch and decades of experience leading growth at eBay, StubHub, and beyond, Tye explores what B2B marketers can learn from consumer brands.

He highlights why trust and authenticity are more critical than ever in today’s trust-deficit world, and how partner and affiliate marketing can help bridge the gap. From lessons in finishing what you start, keeping promises, and “talking less but saying more,” Tye makes the case that B2B has its moment now—to embrace authenticity, invest in brand, and build lasting trust with buyers.