Maybe this mess—a resurgent pandemic, collapsing economy, screaming politicians, and deep racial inequalities laid bare—is exactly what the United States needs. Maybe the outcome will be a more normal country, instead of one that thinks it is exceptional. That might be better for Americans as well as for the rest of the world, argues Jorge Castañeda, a Mexican educator, diplomat, author and former Foreign Minister in Tällberg’s latest, New Thinking for a New World conversation with Alan Stoga. In this episode, Castañeda talks about some of the ideas from his latest book, “America Through Foreign Eyes” and explains why he thinks the United States is heading in exactly the right direction.