President Trump is preparing to sign a major executive order on AI and cybersecurity at a moment of growing concern over cyber threats from China, Russia, Iran, and criminal ransomware gangs.

Jen Easterly, former Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and now CEO of RSAC, the world's largest cybersecurity community, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss:

Why America has a software security problem, not just a cybersecurity problem

How insecure software shifted risk from tech companies onto consumers

Why AI tools like Mythos and GPT-5.5 Cyber could fundamentally change cyber defense

What China’s Volt Typhoon campaign revealed about U.S. infrastructure vulnerabilities

How cyber warfare has shaped conflicts in Ukraine and Iran

Jake and Jon close the episode with a discussion of the latest developments in the Iran war, rising tensions around Cuba, the Ebola outbreak in the Congo, and President Trump’s summit with Xi Jinping in Beijing.

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