Zibby interviews Forbes contributor Amy Shoenthal about THE SETBACK CYCLE, a guide with revolutionary strategies for working through life’s toughest moments, supported by research and personal stories from today’s most prolific leaders and innovators. Amy discusses the four phases of the setback cycle (Establish, Embrace, Explore, and Emerge), emphasizing how setbacks can actually lead to the best opportunities and growth. She also explores the intersection of personal and societal setbacks, noting the role of community and support in overcoming challenges. Overall, the episode offers invaluable insights for anyone facing adversity—personal or professional.

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