This is Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Martin Odler, Egyptologist and leading expert on ancient Egyptian copper tools. We dig into topics like: the Petrie core and the feed rate debate around its spiral drilling marks, how ancient Egyptians may have used a lathe to produce stone vases, the Giza iron plate and whether it's actually ancient, the Labyrinth of Hawara, and the evidence behind who really built the Great Pyramid. Along the way, we also cover the mysterious empty sarcophagus of Queen Hetepheres, the Sabu disc, and what modern archaeological science can still uncover about Old Kingdom technology.

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0:00 - Intro

2:29 - Old Kingdom Giza

7:40 - Abu Rawash

9:55 - The Heit el-Ghurab copper workshop excavation

15:16 - Was arsenic added to copper on purpose?

21:04 - The speiss discovery at Elephantine

33:11 - Experimental archaeology - recreating ancient tools and cuts

42:06 - Early iron in Egypt

51:53 - The Giza iron plate

59:51 - Who built the Great Pyramid?

1:08:08 - Underground shafts, satellite scans, and the aliens question

1:13:25 - The labyrinth of Hawara

1:17:10 - Ancient Egyptian gold & tomb of Hetepheres

1:22:20 - Stone quarrying and the myth of primitive technology

1:29:52 - Stone tools in the Bronze Age toolkit

1:38:40 - The Petrie core & the feed rate debate

1:52:20 - Stone vase workshop at Hierakonpolis

1:56:26 - Evidence for a lathe

2:12:59 - Djoser's 40,000 vases

2:17:42 - The Sabu disc and Egypt's lost craft secrets

2:26:54 - Martin's opinion on the vase scans

2:31:10 - Closing and announcement

Resources:

Petrie quotes: https://gizapower.com/petrie/chris8.htm

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Martin Odler, an Egyptologist and leading expert on ancient Egyptian copper tools, to discuss his newest discovery: the earliest confirmed metal drill ever found in Egypt, dating back roughly 5,300 years.

This is Part 1 of our conversation. In Part 2, we get into topics such as the Petrie core, stone vases and lathes, the Giza iron plate, the Hawara Labyrinth, and who really built the Great Pyramid.

Part 2 is coming soon, subscribe so you don’t miss it.

Dr. Martin Odler's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@martinodler

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Dr. Martin Odler's books mentioned in the podcast:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Copper-Tools-Archaeopress-Egyptology/dp/1784914428

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invisible-Connections-Archaeometallurgical-University-Archaeopress/dp/1789697409

https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Ancient-Egypt-Pyramid-Culture/dp/9004524088

Sources:

Middle Kingdom: papyrus Reisner II, published in Simpson, William Kelly. Papyrus Reisner II: Accounts of the Dockyard Workshop at This in the Reign of Sesostris I. Transcription and Commentary. Museum of Fine Arts, 1965.

New Kingdom: notebook of Dhutmose, published in Hölzl, Regina, Michael Neumann, and Robert J. Demarée. The notebook of Dhutmose: p. Vienna ÄS 10321. Probleme der Ägyptologie 37. Brill, 2018.

Chapters:

0:00:00 - Intro

0:02:36 - Who is Dr. Martin Odler? Background & specialization

0:08:14 - Martin's recent research in Egypt

0:14:35 - Should artifacts go back to Egypt?

0:22:28 - Martin's presentation starts

0:24:21 - The earliest metal drill of Naqada

0:28:55 - Bow drill evidence under the microscope

0:36:39 - Analyzing ancient metals – microscope & XRF setup in the Petrie Museum

0:44:09 - Flinders Petrie – his museum, his methods & the pyramid theory he debunked

0:51:34 - Mark Lehner, the Edgar Cayce Foundation & the Hall of Records

0:54:47 - What does it mean to be a "mainstream" Egyptologist? Martin's path to copper tools

1:02:55 - The life cycle of Egyptian copper – from ore to recycling

1:09:44 - Saws and tube drills

1:12:21 - 3 books from Dr. Martin Odler & the earliest Egyptian mirror

1:16:06 - Scanning tombs & finds from the Abusir excavation

1:22:55 - Interdisciplinary research & working with archaeometallurgists

1:29:38 - Dr. Martin Odler's YouTube channel

1:30:33 - Martin's recent project at Newcastle University

1:34:02 - Myths about Egyptian copper tools, provenance & forgeries

1:37:02 - Hidden inscription on a Vienna vase everyone missed

1:40:26 - Provenance research

1:43:41 - Ancient battle axe blades & inscriptions under the microscope

1:51:38 - Outro & a teaser from Part 2

In this episode, precision manufacturing expert Chris King joins us to analyze the 3D scan results of ancient Egyptian vase scans from the Petrie Museum. The data reveals levels of circularity and roundness that are below what the human eye can even detect. According to Chris, simply cannot be explained by hand tools alone. The evidence points to some form of rotational, spindle-based technology that has no place in the current historical record. So who actually made these and how?

Artifact Research Fundation: https://www.artifactfoundation.org/

Chris' gear: https://chrisking.com/

More in-depth scan results here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7GRmKVBiGuyphCYseciM7k?si=70raUhLTRg28IfqvlcyB7w

Shining 3D: https://www.shining3d.com/metrology-solutions

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Chapters:

0:00:00 - Intro

0:01:41 - The Petrie Museum Scanning Project & First Results

0:08:30 - Were These Vases Made by Hand?

0:18:55 - Heat Maps, Polishing Patches & the Lip Feature

0:22:38 - The Precision of the Vases, Who Made Them & When?

0:38:50 - 3D Printer or CNC Machine Replicate Them?

0:46:18 - Evidence of Hand Tools & Spindle Technology

0:51:10 - Ending & Outro

In this episode I sat down with Kyle Allen, who many of you will know from the BrothersOfTheSerpent Youtube channel he runs with his brother Russell, exploring ancient mysteries, megalithic sites, and the deep history of our civilization.

In this episode we dug into what the T-shaped pillars actually tell us at Göbekli Tepe, how reliable the current dating of the site really is, who the people behind these megaliths might have been, and why Göbekli Tepe continues to challenge the mainstream timeline of human history.

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Brothers of the Serpent: https://open.spotify.com/show/3cgn5GAi5MqHOyuXQ7Plhz?si=3ee7b4cde5a0402e

Sources:

* Tepe Telegrams Website: https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/

* Unesco Document (Annexes): https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1572/documents/

* Enclosure H (Cat Enclosure): https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2017/05/26/introducing-enclosure-h-welcoming-a-new-member-to-the-goebekli-tape-family/

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0:00:00 - Intro & Welcome

0:01:47 - How the Fascination with Göbekli Tepe Began?

0:02:32 - The Midden Mound

0:04:34 - Klaus Schmidt, Stratigraphy & the Earthquake Evidence

0:08:28 - The Dating Problem

0:14:17 - Grinding Stones & Ancient Re-Excavation

0:17:10 - The Lithic Styles

0:25:45 - Clovis, Primitive Tools & Megaliths

0:35:44 - Roof Pillars & Debunking the Myths

0:46:30 - Who Actually Carved the Pillars?

0:52:08 - It was Deliberately Buried?

1:03:19 - Who Built It? & Karahan Tepe's Ancient Kitchen

1:15:57 - The Lithic Link Between Turkey and Egypt

1:18:05 - Guinness Break

1:18:56 - The Lithic Link Between Turkey and Egypt

1:39:05 - Criticism and Truth

1:42:22 - 3D Scanning Artifacts

1:47:24 - Final Thoughts & Where to Find Kyle

1:48:15 - Outro

Dan Richards is the mind behind DeDunking, a channel dedicated to discussing alternative history through a skeptical and evidence-driven lens. His approach rejects the usual sensationalism often attached to these topics and instead relies on science, logic, and speculation that stays rooted in the evidence at hand. Rather than blindly accepting extraordinary claims or dismissing them too easily, Dan examines where the arguments are strong, where they fall apart, and where real questions still remain.

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00:00 - Intro

01:22 - Dan’s Response to the Vase Scan Video

03:25 - Dan’s Journey into Alternative History

06:43 - Dan’s First Reaction to UnchartedX’s Vase Videos

10:27 - Vase Perfection

15:45 - The Vase Project, Scientists Against Myths, and Debunking Culture

23:32 - Graham Hancock’s Measurements of the Great Pyramid

25:57 - Red Flags in the Vase Scans

35:39 - How Dan Met Jimmy Corsetti

38:34 - Dr. David Miano and Differing Opinions

48:42 - Ancient Apocalypse, Netflix, and Underwater Structures

56:25 - The Pyramid Scan Project

01:00:16 - The Sphinx Theories

01:08:20 - Which Pyramid Theories Feel Most Legit?

01:14:02 - Geopolymers and the Arguments Around Them

01:23:47 - Carbon Dating

01:30:02 - Dan’s Research Techniques

01:38:40 - The Antarctica Map, Sailing, and Naqada

01:42:10 - Cocaine Mummies and High-Technology Tools

01:50:13 - Getting into Museums Like Petrie and the Provenance Problem

01:54:57 - Closing Thoughts

🔗Resources:

Scientists Against Myths: https://www.youtube.com/@ScientistsAgainstMythsNetflix - Ancient Apocalypse: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22807484/History of GRANITE: https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryforGRANITEAncient Architects: https://www.youtube.com/@AncientArchitectsJoe Rogan Experience #2231 - Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbW6FTU69bw&t=2554sUnchartedX: https://www.youtube.com/@UnchartedX

Luke Caverns, anthropologist, jungle explorer, and Joe Rogan guest, joins the show for a deep dive into ancient civilizations. His family has been hunting lost Spanish gold for 130 years. He's dodged fer-de-lance snakes in Central American jungles, received a self-destructing email from a Russian black market artifact dealer, and heard firsthand about secret warehouse of Aztec relics.We break down the mysterious Olmec "Traveler" monument and what it suggests about pre-Columbian contact with the Old World, the precision Egyptian stone vases that modern engineers can't explain, Luke's theory that the Giza pyramids were cenotaphs, not tombs, the archaeology vs. outsider feud, psychedelics in ancient shamanic practices, and how Luke went from college student to one of the biggest young voices in ancient history.

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SHOW NOTES:

0:00:00 - Intro

0:01:23 - Luke's Origin & Family History: Lost Spanish Gold Mines

0:19:20 - Jungle Expeditions, LIDAR & Field Work in the Americas

0:36:05 - Thor Heyerdahl, Kon-Tiki & the Case for Ancient Seafaring

0:41:48 - Easter Island & Who Really Got There First?

0:44:33 - The Olmecs & Depictions of Foreign Visitors in Mesoamerica

0:50:08 - Why Academia Resists Long-Distance Contact Theories

0:51:24 - Ancient Egyptian Hard-Stone Vessel Precision

0:53:09 - Outsiders vs. Establishment: The War in Archaeology

0:57:50 - The Hard-Stone Vessels: What Were They Really For?

1:11:00 - Egyptian Philosophy & Its Lost Influence on Greece

1:12:00 - The Mind-Bending Timescale of Egyptian Civilization

1:19:17 - The Great Pyramid: Tomb Theory or Something Else?

1:33:03 - Pyramids as Cult Centers & Lost Sacred Knowledge

1:38:21 - Egyptian Mystery Schools: What Were They Hiding?

1:43:40 - Why Luke Loves Alexandria More Than the Pyramids

1:47:39 - The Lighthouse of Alexandria & the Lost Wonders of the Ancient World

1:51:15 - Ptolemaic Egypt's Grand Renaissance & Alexander's Legacy

1:58:11 - How Alexander the Great Founded Alexandria

2:01:00 - The Lighthouse: How Did the Ptolemies Lift Those Blocks?

2:04:56 - Going on the Joe Rogan Experience

2:15:34 - Future Plans: LIDAR Discoveries & the Explorers Club

Lidar Mapping of El Mirador: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366194516_LiDAR_analyses_in_the_contiguous_Mirador-Calakmul_Karst_Basin_Guatemala_an_introduction_to_new_perspectives_on_regional_early_Maya_socioeconomic_and_political_organization

Lidar Mapping of Palenque: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212054823000383

Reconstructing the Serapeum in Alexandria: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-roman-studies/article/abs/reconstructing-the-serapeum-in-alexandria-from-the-archaeological-evidence/2B41066E2FD232545126880FC6D0E5F3

Kon-Tiki Museum: https://www.kon-tiki.no/en/home

What’s really under Giza? In this episode of the Ancient Technology Podcast, Karoly sits down with Filippo Biondi (satellite/SAR specialist) and Armando Mei (Giza researcher) to translate the buzz around pyramid “scans” into plain English. We break down how satellite synthetic aperture radar (SAR), muon tomography, and seismic methods actually work, what they can (and can’t) see, and how new processing pipelines can surface hidden structures and water signatures beneath the Giza Plateau.

Filippo explains measuring resonance and micro-movements from space (Doppler/phase analysis) and how those techniques adapt to ancient monuments. Armando walks through site alignments, long-standing hypotheses, and why detector placement matters for the well-known “big void” above the Grand Gallery. Together we compare signals reported at Khufu (Great Pyramid), discuss targeted scanning around Khafre and the Sphinx, and outline a practical roadmap for future surveys—minus the hype.

Filippo Biondi's website: https://www.harmonicsar.com/

Armando Mei on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ArmandoMei

Cosmic Summit presentation of Filippo and Armando: https://cosmicsummit.live/content/dr-filippio-biondi-armando-mei

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SHOW NOTES:

0:00:00 - Intro

0:03:28 - How did the research begin

0:06:16 - How the satellite Doppler method works

0:08:30 - Hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid

0:13:12 - How the SAR measurements work

0:17:35 - Physics & astronomy correlations (Sphinx, Orion, precession)

0:23:49 - How can we see underground

0:34:17 - Underground pillars & network across Giza

0:42:21 - Validation tests; tunnels, water & Osiris shaft

0:49:17 - Tools & processing (Matlab, CPU vs GPU)

0:50:24 - Next sites to scan

0:53:54 - Tunnel under the Sphinx

0:54:57 - Other interesting sites

0:57:40 - ScanPyramids and muon scan comparison

1:07:15 - Scanning depth limits & future system

1:10:59 - Team

1:12:22 - Debunkers

In this episode of the Ancient Technology Podcast, historian Dr. David Miano talks with researchers Adam Young and Károly Póka about the controversial Vase Scan Project and the mainstream views of pyramid dating. Are Egypt’s precision vases evidence of lost technology — or are they being misinterpreted?

We dive into the methods, the scans, and the interpretations to clarify the doubts, answer the critics, and explore whether these discoveries change what we know about ancient Egyptian civilization.

More About the Vase Scan Project: https://www.artifactfoundation.org/

Dr. David Miano's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UC64TYItcUS940vNWhQRnJWg

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SHOW NOTES:

00:00:00 - Introduction

00:02:18 - David's perspective on the Vase Scan Project

00:05:09 - Adam's early evidence & research motivation

00:07:04 - Main hypothesis

00:15:03 - Traditional dating vs alternative views

00:22:13 - Scanning methodology

00:24:54 - Hand made or machine made

00:29:26 - Measuring precision: circularity

00:33:35 - What tools and culture made these

00:50:22 - Zahi Hawass and mainstream archaeology

00:55:26 - Dating of the Great Pyramid of Giza

01:05:28 - Khufu's cartouche

01:14:59 - Outro

We brought a micron-accurate 3D scanner into the Petrie Museum to examine Egypt’s oldest stone vases—piece by piece, same setup, same pipeline. Are these artifacts truly hand-shaped… or do the numbers hint at something far more precise? Watch the scans, the heatmaps, and the side-by-side benchmarks—and decide with us.

More info: https://www.artifactfoundation.org/

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SHOW NOTES:

0:00:00 - Intro

0:01:25 - Background Story

0:05:27 - 3D scanning technologies

0:09:42 - Metrology

0:11:31 - Comparison of technologies

0:14:34 - Scanning in the Petrie Museums

0:24:30 - Analignment Problem

0:29:11 - Steps of Analysis

0:37:37 - Modern Tolerances

0:38:35 - Reference objects

0:44:14 - Scan Results

0:48:32 - Conclusion

0:51:59 - Special Thanks

⚠️ EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ⚠️

In this special episode, we sit down with Dr. Dominique Görlitz—German vegetation geographer, experimental archaeologist, sailor, and author—to explore his 2013 Khufu Graffiti Scandal and the Interpol investigation. He also reveals the “cocaine mummies” analysis from his PhD research.

Here’s just a taste of what you’ll learn:

- How he snuck into the Great Pyramid’s hidden chambers

- What iron‑tool evidence he uncovered in the Great Pyramid and from Predynastic Egypt

- How he recreated Nagada boat‑building—and sailed them across the AtlanticDon’t miss the experiments that rewrites history

only on the Ancient Technology Podcast!

Dr. Görlitz's channel: https://nuoflix.de/aboratv

Reedboat project: http://www.abora.eu/

First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies - Svetlana Balabanova: https://sci-hub.se/10.1007/BF01140178

The Occurrence of Cocaine in Egyptian Mummies - Dominique Görlitz: https://ul.qucosa.de/api/qucosa%3A15120/attachment/ATT-0/

Join us for a clear, evidence‑focused conversation and discover the real story behind these intriguing findings. Available now on all major podcast platforms.

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SHOW NOTES:

00:00:00 – Intro

00:03:10 – Origins of the Abora Science Center

00:08:07 – Thor Heyerdahl’s Legacy and Inspiration

00:10:24 – Dr. Görlitz’s Research

00:27:58 – Forensic Evidence of Nicotine and Cocaine in Predynastic Mummies

00:46:20 – Experimental Atlantic Voyages on Reed Boats

01:14:46 – Mummies and Step Pyramids on the Canary Islands

01:39:01 – The 2013 Khufu Graffiti Scandal

02:17:59 – Iron Tool Mark Evidence in the King’s Chamber

02:19:31 – How Two People Lifted Granite Beams in the Pyramid

02:25:43 – Upcoming Projects