Recorded on: 12 October 2025

Do you have a friendship litmus test, the book or band or film you mention to someone you meet to figure out if you’re going to get along? Halsted has one. Keenan talks about a shift in their perspective, thanks to getting older. And they both discuss being reformed know-it-alls.

Then Keenan’s deity status is revealed, and they make some decrees.

Not-footnotes:

• “Wicked Little Critta” by They Might Be Giants
• Everything Is Awful and I’m Not Okay: questions to ask before giving up
• Song Exploder Episode 28: The Long Winters - The Commander Thinks Aloud

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