Recently Steve sat down with Andrew Bauman for this chat with his own podcast Centre for Men, we thought it was such a great chat it was worth sharing here. 

Andrew is the author of 6 books. His latest ‘How not to be an ass: Essays on becoming a good & safe man. Andrew is a Mental Health counsellor with a Master of Arts in Counselling psychology.

Thank you to Yovee for the intro for this podcast https://open.spotify.com/artist/79iDf2ixvfJy2ySHrFwtmV?si=9VuF9pecSdezSt0yAzsySA