Andrew Johnstone started out dreaming to be an artist and accidentally became a designer. He's started Empty Magazine after a night drinking with a friend when they decided it would be a good idea to start a magazine. He found himself pitching an original idea for what has become an international design conference - called Semi Permanent - in Barcelona with co-founder Murray Bell. It's now in it's 11th year. They've had all sorts of amazing guests, who range from Pixar animator Andrew Gordon to Roman Coppola to this year's star catch Tony Hawk. Not bad for a boy from the 'Gong.

Full show notes and playlist at http://fbiradio.com/program/out-of-the-box/2014-05-15