Since his students days at Victoria University in the 1970's, Andrew Robb made a conscious decision to align himself with Māori issues at the time. Māori Language revitilisation was at the forefront. He would go on to surround himself with mentors that would ease his apprehension of being pākeha and moving in a Māori community. Four decades on, Andrew continues to work with Maori, he sits down with Jerome Civitanovich to discuss those early years of his career, and the important advice he learned along the way.