December 21, 2022

Android 8 and General White (S1E28)

45 minutes

What does EVERYONE get wrong when discussing Androids in Dragon Ball?

Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by breaking down episodes 39, 40 and 41, "Mysterious Android No. 8," "Horrifying Buyon," and "The Fall of Muscle Tower." We dig further into the Red Ribbon Army and Goku's challenges as he continues along, the Frankenstein-like Android Number 8, the Pink Blob monster Buyon and finally General White himself.

In this episode:

The battle rages on...

We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments

We talk about the obvious inspiration points from Frankenstein (Frankenstein's Monster) in Android 8

We highlight Toriyama's subversion of expectations

We tease out the idea that there will be future scientists and androids from the Red Ribbon Army

Jelli discusses some of the translation issues with regards to Android 8 aka Jinzoningen Hachigo aka Man-Made Man Number 8 aka Artificial Man-Made Human Number 8 (more is explained herein)

The original of 8er (Eighter) as a nickname being translated from the Japanese Hachan.

We discuss why 8er is reluctant to fight

Bekinney discusses some of the East-West ideology conflicting within 8er and highlights how Goku passes some of his learnings from Master Roshi on to 8er

We draw connections between Goku's tutelage under Roshi to that of his real world experience and how that drives his encounters with Vegeta, Frieza and Beerus later on.

We remind everyone of a connection to Xuanzang and Journey to the West

We discuss some of our favorite adaptations of Frankenstein and how 8er ranks

Jelli highlights the clashing opposites of the village elder and General White

We talk more about James Bond, and You Only Live Twice, reminding our listeners how that led to Murasaki, and informs this arc

We highlight a brief connection to Curse of the Blood Rubies and our commentary from a couple months back

We do a wrap-up of some of our final thoughts on Muscle Tower's anime arc

and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual

Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.

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