December 2016: Cohen and Bill discuss the rise of reality TV in 2016, 'Desperate Housewives' vs. 'Real Housewives,' the casting process of 'Real Housewives,' the potential of 'Real Housewives: All-Stars,' Cohen’s reputation as "America's gay best friend," Bill's reality show pitch: 'Malibu Little League,' idolizing Howard Stern's radio model, the craziest matchups on 'Watch What Happens Live,' the Brangelina split, and escapism after the 2016 election.

Host: Bill Simmons

Guest: Andy Cohen

Production Support: Steve Ceruti, Ben Cruz, Tim Angan and Garrett Gonzales

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