Angel Lozada, Diane Wong and Pharaoh Saunders discuss James Baldwin's The Fire Next Time. We look wondering what it will really take for white people in this country to commit to dismantle white supremacy? What will it take to get white people to look at themselves and give up the false notion of "white innocence"? What will it take for white people to seek out black leadership - leadership tempered by centuries of hatred, disregard and deep suffering in the hopes that Black Americans can save us all?