In the previous debate on God's existence between Phil Bair and Juan from Modern Atheism, the side topic of animal pain and suffering came up. I removed that section of the debate (10 mins or less total) at the request of both of the debaters to focus in on the main topic of debate.

However, Omar was passionate about the subject and wanted to discuss it further with me- here is the conversation we had!

**Note: There was a technical glitch with Zoom right in the beginning and so I didn't get the very introduction (first 2-3 mins or so) of the show and that part is left off. Again, all of the substantive parts are left in and only my customary 2-3 min introduction is missing of the show. My apologies **

RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/debate-does-god-exist-with-phil-bair-christian-vs-juan-modern-atheism/