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Anthony Bateman on Mentalizing and 'Personality Disorders'


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In episode four of the 2024 BIGSPD Podcast, André from The Mental Elf speaks with Anthony Bateman, a visiting professor at UCL and consultant at the Anna Freud Centre. Bateman discusses the concept of mentalizing, its role in human behavior, and the effectiveness of mentalization-based treatment (MBT) for conditions like borderline personality disorder and trauma. He explores the adaptability of MBT across various disorders and emphasizes personalized treatment. The conversation also touches on the debate about the classification of personality disorders and the impact of trauma and loneliness on treatment outcomes.


00:00 Introduction

01:26 Meet Anthony Bateman: Background and Expertise

01:53 Understanding Mentalizing

03:28 Development and Importance of Mentalizing

04:35 Impact of Early Trauma on Mentalizing

07:24 Mentalization Based Treatment (MBT) Explained

11:09 Effectiveness and Adaptability of MBT

16:35 Challenges and Considerations in MBT

24:45 The Debate on Personality Disorder Labels

27:27 Conclusion and Upcoming Events


BIGSPD is the British and Irish Group for the Study of Personality Disorder and their annual conference takes place in Belfast on 18-20 June 2024. Find out more at: https://bigspd.org.uk/conferences-and-events/annual-conference/

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