Anti-

Blaine Deutsch is a designer, producer, painter, printmaker, cyclist, conversationalist, writer, and seeker of inspiration.

@tooktake

 7:30 - Working with Corey Rich

  9:00 - Climbing in Cinema

14:00 - Fred Beckey

17:00 - Living at altitude

18:30 - Growing up

21:00 - Indoor vs. Outdoor Climbing 

24:00 - Commercial Outdoor Photography

27:15 - Defining ‘Producer’

30:00 - First big gig

33:30 - Favorite gig with Nikon 

38:30 - Climbers are the anti-celebrity

42:00 - Filming Alex Honnold free soloing

44:30 - Dispelling the adrenaline-fueled thrill-seeker myth

52:30 - Working with Tommy Caldwell

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56:05 - “You could be a really enthusiastic baseball player but you’re never going to play in Wrigley Field. As a climber, you can go climb the Nose. If you’re a [cyclist], you can go ride Alpe d'Huez, the same route they ride in the tour. You can be in the same arena. And a lot of times you’re in the same arena with a pro right next to you and they’re just doing the same thing you are. They’re just having a good day out there.”

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57:30 - Kevin almost dying while driving thru a snowstorm in Tommy Caldwell’s Honda civic

1:01:00 - Estes Park

1:05:00 - Carlo Rovelli

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1:15:00 - Returning to St. Louis

1:19:30 - Working for your enemy

1:25:00 - Printmaking

1:28:30 - Sacrifice vs. Making Money

1:32:30 - Contentment

1:38:00 - Beekeeping & nature

1:48:00 - Making art in the future

1:51:00 - Blaine’s manifesto

1:57:00 - Respecting others 

2:01:30 - Robert Montgomery

2:12:00 - Jasper Johns

2:19:00 - Encaustic painting

2:21:00 - Meeting Leo Castelli in the Guggenheim   

2:25:00 - Outro

Tyler Gross is an award winning illustrator and graphic artist based in St. Louis.

GrossIllustration.com

@drslime

11:00 - How we met

13:00 - Kevin loves Tyler’s voice

18:45 - Sports announcer commentary

20:30 - Kaepernick & National Anthem

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24:00 - Introduction to illustration

27:00 - College

31:00 - Realizing he wasn’t good at drawing

35:30 - Transferring to Illustration from Drawing

38:00 - Community Colleges vs. University

40:00 - Kevin’s college career

46:00 - Sweating the small stuff

50:00 - Tyler’s eastern European teachers

54:00 - Creativity vs. technical know-how

58:45 - Developing a personal style

59:15 - Interning at Departika

1:02:30 - Paid vs. Unpaid Internships

1:05:30 - First paid gig

1:12:00 - Influences

1:16:45 - Looking for work

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1:19:45 - Moving to Denver

1:23:00 - Examples of effortless style but still working hard

- Mac Demarco

- Geoff McFetridge

- Spike Jonze

1:25:00 - RFT Cover

1:25:35 - “That just comes from experimenting… that Riverfront Times cover you’re talking about was kind of a battle, really. And in a lot of those battles you spend so much of your time trying to get it right, trying to get it right it takes this kind of breaking point where you leave all that behind and try something new, and something kinda clicked with that.”  QUOTE

1:28:00 - Typographers 

1:29:15 - Eric Gill having sex with his dog

1:33:15 - Bruce Mau - Lifestyle

1:38:00 - Dan Cassaro

1:40:30 - Process vs. Style

1:47:00 - Trader Joes’ chalkboard artists

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1:54:00 - Thoughts on Denver

1:56:00 - Starting to smoke weed young

2:01:00 - Moving to San Diego

2:06:00 - Kevin flying to San Diego for one night for Josh Boston’s Lord of the Rings themed birthday

2:10:00 - Skateboarding in SoCal

2:12:30 - Meeting Wes Kremer

2:15:00 - Moving back to St. Louis

2:20:00 - About Anti-

2:23:00 - Working on projects you’re geeked about

2:24:00 - Foxing

2:28:00 - Skateboarding culture in STL

2:33:30 - Important podcast for young artists

2:40:15 - Outro 

Indiana Rome is an Artist/MC/Producer.

IndianaRome.com

@indianarome

8:00 - Hating the sound of your own voice

11:00 - St. Louis & Indianapolis

12:00 - Corey Black

19:30 - The Mob Dance

22:00 - Dropping out of college to work

23:00 - Getting into music

23:30 - Fruityloops

25:00 - Making sure your beat doesn’t sound like the software

27:00 - Freestyling

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31:30 - Going Solo

34:00 - Getting better thru collaborations

35:15 - Gaining confidence in front of crowds

37:00 - Performance IQ

40:15 - Breath control

42:00 - Becoming Indiana Rome

43:30 - Fronting vs. Being Real

43:37 - “Me, personally, I don’t front. Everything I’ve rapped about, I’ve had it at some point or have done or still doing. I’ve never talked about, ‘I’m in the Maybach, Im doing this… I got the yacht out there. I live in a two-bedroom apartment on the south side. Don’t get it twisted, I still get paid for this. I’m not Diddy yet, I’m not Jay yet. But it’s coming. I front to that point. To only what I’ve done.”

49:00 - Defining Dope Dealer

51:30 - Work/Play, Kevin & Dani McCoy

52:30 - Adrian O. Walker’s Podcast & Album Photo

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54:30 - Balancing influence and inspiration

57:15 - Trap influence in contemporary Hip Hop

1:00:15 - Schools getting rid of music class

1:03:30 - Rappers retracting old lyrics

1:08:00 - Kevin Hart

1:12:00 - Love Dope EP’s

1:16:00 - Determining live sets

1:17:15 - 314 Day

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1:19:30 - New Album: DLRS

1:23:00 - Kaotica Eyeball & Writing Style

1:27:15 - Production is king now

1:31:15 - “Loose Lips”

1:34:30 - Taking his music on the road

1:36:00 - St. Louis crowds are brutal

1:40:30 - Self promoting / #Cash4Dope 

1:49:30 - Tekashi69

1:54:00 - Upcoming travels

1:55:30 - How features work

1:58:00 - Outro

Adrian Octavius Walker is a mixed-media artist based in Oakland, CA.

AdrianOWalker.com

@aoctaviusw

6:00 - Cursing

11:00 - Peeing in corners

12:55 - Chappelle’s latest special

16:30 - Made Monarchs

17:30 - Social Media/Instagram

19:30 - Instagram’s mental toll

21:30 - VSCO

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26:00 - Introducing Adrian at STLDW

28:30 - First time we met

31:00 - Rescuing kittens

33:00 - Introduction to photography

35:00 - Made Monarchs

38:00 - Club Dress Codes

40:00 - Being a good student

44:00 - Trade School

47:00 - Critiquing & Understanding Art

54:00 - First Photo Job

59:00 - Freelance

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1:00:50 - BREAK

1:02:00 - Going to the same middle school

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1:04:00 - Ferguson

1:19:00 - My Lens, Our Ferguson

1:24:00 - Evolving into portraiture

1:28:00 - Artifact Uprising

1:29:00 - VSCO

1:34:00 - Colorado Springs 

1:36:00 - Oakland

1:39:00 - Ben Kaplan

1:41:00 - Graffiti as an art form

1:46:00 - Nure Collective

1:53:30 - Art World Changing

1:57:00 - “Winning, to me, is the same as the word ‘Power’. When someone feels like they can have power over you? They feel like they can dominate you, they’re better than you and they use that the wrong way. For me, the “power” that I want to use is being able to connect you with a friend that I think y’all would make a great team and make something happen. I feel good for doing that, I feel good for making that introduction. That’s powerful to me. To know, who I think you would vibe with to build something. That’s power to me.” 

1:58:00 - Using the iPhone during Ferguson

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2:00:00 - #WeMatter

2:06:00 - Favorite contemporary photographers:

- Carrie Mae Weems

- LaToya Ruby Frazier

- Lorna Simpson

- Deana Lawson

2:07:45 - National Portrait Gallery

2:08:00 - Amy Sherald

Kevin Brennan is one part vodka, two parts soda with a lemon peel. He doesn't own an Irish pub.

CometoBrennans.com

DurangoCigars.com

ArgueAndGrieve.com

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  7:00 - It’s all happening

  8:00 - Cuba trip

14:00 - Working on McDonald’s marketing in Oak Brook, IL

21:00 - Quitting McDonald’s and moving back to St. Louis

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23:00 - The start of Durango Cigars

26:00 - Brennan’s in the beginning

33:30 - Promoting thru word of mouth

37:00 - Developing tastes

42:00 - Owning a bar

46:00 - Co-working & Evolving into more than just a bar 

47:00 - The B-Hive

51:00 - Brennan’s Midtown

53:30 - Favorite part of the day

57:00 - What sets Brennans apart

59:00 - Arguments & Grievances 

1:02:00 - The Bar Talk board

1:04:00 - Diverse patrons

1:13:15 - Hard to be comfortable in your own place

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1:15:10 - New Grove location 

1:18:00 - Current state of St. Louis

1:22:00 - St. Louis needs a cool spokesperson

1:25:00 - We need to own it, literally

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1:32:00 - State of cigar business

1:37:00 - Medicinal marijuana rush

1:39:00 - Steady business > Startup frenzy

1:42:30 - Normal day

1:43:30 - Grove location idea

1:44:15 - Finally taking a break

1:49:00 - Traveling with intent 

1:51:00 - Outro

Syd Suntha is a chef, co-owner of Ballyhoo Hot Sauce and overall hustler.

www.ballyhoohotsauce.com

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  4:00 - Syd/Suntish

  6:00 - First time we met

  7:30 - Get in the Van - Henry Rollins

  8:00 - Hanging out backstage

  9:45 - Getting into the music industry

11:45 - Going to live shows nowadays

13:30 - Finding & makes music before the internet 

16:30 - The problems with instant access to niche content

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22:00 - Leaving normal jobs to work with bands

24:30 - Growing up as a Sri Lankan in St. Louis

25:30 - Embracing what made him different

26:30 - Tour managing Adair & Jon Oakes  

28:30 - Pivoting career

29:00 - Cooking with Bert McCracken of The Used

30:00 - Kitchen Confidential

30:30 - Culinary school

33:30 - Tipping culture is bullshit

37:00 - Rockwell Beer doesn’t do tips

39:00 - Authenticity in pricing

42:00 - Restaurants and hard costs

46:00 - Vote with your dollars

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48:00 - Moving up to Seattle from L.A.

50:00 - Working at Skillet

52:00 - Food Trucks in Seattle

58:30 - Starting up Bread & Circuses

1:00:00 - Behind the name ‘Bread & Circuses’

1:03:00 - Putting a restaurant inside a brewery

1:06:30 - Leaving Bread & Circuses

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1:07:00 - Starting up Ballyhoo Hot Sauce

1:11:00 - Owning a product vs. owning a restaurant

1:15:00 - How Ballyhoo is more than just ‘Hot’ Sauce

1:17:30 - Brands collaborating with other brands

1:18:00 - Syd’s ‘Seattle Street Food Cook Book’ saga

1:23:00 - Wanting to do more collaborations

1:25:00 - Limited editions can’t be forced

1:25:45 - Psyence Fiction - Unkle

1:27:00 - Bape

1:30:00 - Head Automatica Limited Edition Dunks

1:32:00 - Wanting and buying a military hummer

1:35:00 - Syd’s parents 

1:36:00 - Drinking in St. Louis

1:38:00 - Syd’s Dad’s drinking history

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1:42:00 - Sri Lankan influence

1:49:00 - Future of Ballyhoo

1:52:15 - Standing out from the competition 

1:56:00 - The politicizing of everything

1:59:00 - Syd’s success motto

2:00:00 - Outro  

Josh Boston is a designer living in Portland, Oregon USA. He likes turtles.

www.joshboston.com

@heyjoshboston

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 0:00 - Intro

  9:00 - Interview Start: What should the intro music be?

 11:30 - Portland & The Simpsons

 13:00 - How Josh & I met

 15:00 - Growing up in the middle of Missouri

 16:15 - Josh & Kevin’s Bromance

19:30 - First memorable piece of design

23:15 - First experiences with the internet

24:30 - Rudimental Drumming

25:15 - Ol’ Town Road Story & Hip Hop’s Influence

29:15 - Learning basic web design

31:45 - Old online design portals

33:30 - Seth Ericson

35:00 - Being young & dumb

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36:40 - Meeting Michael Cina

41:00 - Moving to California

42:45 - Gary Benzel/Green Lady

44:30 - Getting better at design

48:00 - Wanting to switch careers

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51:15 - “It’s not easy to be creative for a living. There’s peaks and valleys and there’s times when you’re kinda numb or you maybe had a good year then a bad year. I’m not trying to say this in a negative way, but it’s not discussed as much publicly. I think it’s discussed a lot in one-on-one coffee meetings, but you’re not seeing it from the stage in design conferences.” 51:48

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52:00 - Working at Lambesis

54:00 - The luster of working on big brands

57:00 - Alex Bogusky

1:00:00 - Working then and now

1:01:00 - Seasons of being a creative professional

1:03:15 - Big agency work-life / Missouri / Back to California

1:09:00 - Basic Agency

1:11:00 - Ego & work

1:16:00 - Original content

1:21:00 - Working at CPB

1:23:00 - Working at W+K

1:25:00 - Working on a 6 month project that never got made

1:29:00 - Creating separation from your hired work

1:34:00 - Working within restraints

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1:36:30 - Going independent

1:40:30 - Loving being laid off

1:44:00 - Throwing a recess party in a loft

1:47:00 - Freelancing means you need to be good with your money

1:49:00 - Starting up an agency

1:54:00 - Doing work that solely pays the bills 

1:56:00 - Rules for social media

2:00:00 - Know where your money is going

2:02:00 - Jocko Wilink

2:03:30 - Throwing your back out

2:07:00 - Taking youth for granted

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2:08:45 - Freelancing

2:11:30 - Success without social media

2:15:00 - Brain Pickings / Maria Popova

2:16:30 - Mike Cina Great Discontent Interview 

2:21:00 - Designers who merge their personal life with their work

2:24:00 - Cultivating taste

2:28:00 - Studios with only one style

2:29:30 - Be careful when criticizing younger creators

2:37:30 - Designer Radar: Braulio Amada, Brian Collins, Tobias Van Schneider, Mike Cina 

2:44:00 - Compare/Contrast with Michael Eastman podcast

2:45:30 - The benefits of knowing design

2:46:00 - Outro

Michael Eastman is an artist working with a camera.

eastmanimages.com

@michaeleastmanphotography

  4:00 - Dude 

  5:00 - Big Lebowski/Jeff Bridges/Weed

  8:50 - St. Louis slow to change visually

11:10 - Rate of Urban Renewal in STL

14:45 - Beginnings as a photographer

15:05 - “A lot of times when I went out and photographed my mantra was, ‘If I were aware of what people 150 years from right now were interested in, then I would photograph those things. They’d be significant records; historical records. And a photographer, unlike many artists, is really part historian. What they’re doing is recording a reality in time, that changes. So that was meaningful for me to see these changes and to record them. To do a portrait of a place.” - Eastman

17:30 - Why did Eastman get into photography in the first place?

19:10 - College years/Entering the workforce

23:10 - The attraction of photography

24:00 - The Daybooks of Edward Weston

24:30 - First Photographs as a “Photographer”

26:45 - Emotion in photography

27:03 - “What you feel about a photograph is transmitted, translated, communicated into print.” - Eastman

28:45 - Photograph things that you have feelings about

29:25 - Ansel Adams & Others

31:40 - First photo jobs

38:39 - “When I started, there was all these voices in my head. There were critics, gallery owners, museum curators, my parents, their friends – there was a Shakespearean chorus of naysayers telling me I couldn’t, shouldn’t, wouldn’t do it. Those voices propelled me.” - Eastman

40:25 - Relating Michael’s Story to the concept of Anti-

42:00 - Eastman’s First Show at Washington University

44:40 - Maintaining an attitude of incompleteness

49:00 - Sitting on your work for awhile

50:00 - Knowing William Gass

54:30 - Shooting Forest Park & showing them to Gass in his last years

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58:15 - Reinvesting back into yourself

1:00:00 - Commercial vs. Fine Art Work

1:00:15 - Shooting Nudes as Landscape

1:06:00 - Finding success in fine art later in life

1:09:00 - Success is the most difficult thing for an artist to overcome

1:11:05 - Vivian Maier

1:12:50 - Lee Friedlander

1:13:50 - Gaining a national reputation with commercial work

1:20:00 - Low overhead = more freedom

1:21:00 - Learning about studio lighting

1:22:00 - Shooting on location

1:26:00 - 9/11 & No Work

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1:29:00 - Overview of Eastman’s fine art work

1:33:00 - The importance of printmaking

1:40:00 - What Eastman’s working on now

1:46:00 - When photography became recognized in the art world

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1:49:00 - Agoraphobia

1:52:00 - Childhood fears 

1:54:28 - A Ghost Story

1:57:30 - Composition/Framing

2:04:30 - Originality

2:06:00 - Cuba

2:07:00 - Buena Vista Social Club

2:08:00 - Traveling to Cuba

2:11:00 - Isabella's Two Chairs

2:14:00 - Havana

2:17:00 - Book sales lead to gallery openings

2:19:00 - Traveling photo show

2:21:20 - The Price of Everything

2:23:30 - NOLA and Current Photo work

2:25:00 - Forest Park Retrospective

2:30:00 - Leaving instagram

2:32:30 - Waking up with something to do

2:33:30 - Feeling mortal

Mike Spakowski is Partner and Creative Director at Atomicdust – A Branding and Marketing Agency.

www.atomicdust.com

@mspako

Notes: 

9:30 - Introduction

10:30 - Why I’m Doing This/Happy Birthday Mom

13:00 - Strange Brew & Ric Moranis

14:30 - Fatherhood: Could Mike be a stay-at-home Dad?

16:10 - How we met

17:30 - Competing and comparison in art & design

18:14 - "Comparison is a death spiral once you start comparing yourself to other people. Yet you have to acknowledge how good and bad your work is."

20:30 - Lifespan of Work / Porano Case Study

22:30 - Revisiting work from other eras vs. staying in touch 

23:26 Life & Design is one of those things where we’re constantly solving the same problem over and over and over.

25:54 - Karlsson Wilker - Tell Me Why

27:40 - 90% of the work that you do ends up in the trash heap, art has a longer lifespan

28:38 - Expression is Hard

29:26 - "Art for me is trying to figure out a way to take my life philosophy and tie that in to things that I’m proficient at."

30:25 - How you constrain yourself is the key to making art

32:10 - "When I was young, I had all the ideas but no way to execute them. When I got older, I had methods to execute them, but forgot how to have the ideas. And now, I have the ideas, I have the methods it’s a matter of trying to find fucking time to get them done."

34:10 - Artistic process and outlining a concept

36:50 - This isn’t an art and design podcast 

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37:25 - Mike’s Story

38:08 - Never knew what he wanted to do

39:20 - Community college and needing an art credit

40:08 - Seeing his and other students work in the hallway

42:15 - Parody and irreverence were alluring

43:25 - Buying a PC, playing games and designing loading rooms

46:25 - The beginning of Atomicdust

47:10 - Learning to code

49:55 - It’s impressive to make a successful company

51:25 - Important to sit back and reflect

54:15 - "It’s hard to make a living doing creative work, it’s more deeply personal."

1:01:25 - Is college necessary?

1:03:30 - The internet is the great equalizer

1:04:20 - RZA: "Whether I went to school or not, I’d always study."

1:05:25 - Encyclopedias to Internet

1:06:15 - "Learning no longer has a barrier to entrance, it’s a barrier of interest, time and stamina."

1:09:10 - The unexamined life

1:11:11 - Whatever you do, make sure you enjoy it

1:12:38 - Contemporary business and pressure

1:14:55 - Vlogging & routine

1:17:25 - Casey Neistat’s older video work

1:19:04 - Appeasing larger audiences

1:20:15 - Finding things early on and feeling “ownership”

1:21:50 - Malcolm Gladwell - Tipping Point

1:22:25 - Anderson Paak & Kid Cudi

1:25:25 - Hold yourself up to a higher level and push forward

1:28:20 - Does the work suffer after appealing to a larger audience

1:29:05 - New work by an artist should almost confuse their fans

1:31:05 - You can’t worry about the audience

1:31:45 - Steven Pressfield - The War of Art

1:33:48 - Taking in content vs. producing

1:36:00 - Doing Something in the "FuturePast"

1:38:15 - Keep it interesting

1:39:25 - Tattoo Story & Tattoos in general

1:46:25 - Mike’s Hair, Cheap Beer

1:57:00 - Outro