JoIn this poignant and important conversation, Tim and Jess Serrante address a question central to so many in this dark historical moment: How can we remain aware and constructively engaged in this time, while continuing to find peace, joy and meaning in our lives?Jess a climate activist and leadership coach, was a close friend and protege of Joanna Macy, who inspired thousands with her work as a philosopher, writer, lecturer, Buddhist scholar and climate activist. Macy, who her died in July at the age of 96, "found a way to transcend 'eco-anxiety,'" the New York Times said in her obituary. "With books and workshops, she helped others deal with the stress caused by climate change, inspiring them to take action and not be paralyzed by despair." Macy was also an advocate for what she called "The Great Turning," a grassroots spiritual renaissance rising up to challenge the greed and destructiveness of so much of modern society.As this conversation with Jess makes clear, Macy's influence survives and remains essential in our tattered world. Links: Joanna Macy's New York Times obituary: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/climate/joanna-macy-dead.htmlWe are The Great Turning podcast, with Jess Serrante and Joanna Macy: https://resources.soundstrue.com/we-are-the-great-turning-podcast/For more about Jess Serrante: https://www.jessserrante.comTo purchase Tim's books, including I'm Proud of You: My Friendship With Fred Rogers, and The Burning: The Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921, visit his Amazon page: https://amzn.to/3tVoAH0For more about Tim: www.timmadigan.net