In this episode Committable producers Jesse Mangan and Jim McQuaid follow up on their review of the Swartz et al. 1999 study and discuss some of the ways in which the findings of that study are misrepresented. They focus on claims made by AOT advocate Eric Smith and how narratives and talking points can become intermingled with perceptions of research.

Audio clips used in this episode come from the following interviews:

https://sensiblenonsense.squarespace.com/committable/2021/10/7/bonus-eric-smith-amp-tom-burns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiHqzqRj14A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atzkOcYC14g