I'm honored to be joined on the podcast this week by Aaron Leonard, journalist and author of several books, including The Folk Singers and the Bureau: The FBI, the Folk Artists, and Suppression of the Communist Party USA. In this book, Aaron details the careers of several prominent folks singers in the U.S., spanning from the 1930s into the 1950s. Aaron and I chat about how the artists he writes about —Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Burl Ives, Lead Belly, Sis Cunningham and others— had ideas about how to create a better world than the one that they saw before them in Depression-era America. They weren't right about everything, but they weren't trying to push a party line on anyone. As Aaron and I discuss, they were trying to use the art they created to tell about the world they saw gripped by fear and depression, but also to inspire others to join them in making it better. As a result, they were met with repression, surveillance, and persecution. The question of how to end human suffering and create a better world (the same question that these artists were trying to answer), is the same one that poses us, and as Aaron points out, even if history isn't always a straight line of progress, we all are much like the narrator of the song, Worried Man Blues: "we're worried now, but we won't be worried long". This was a great conversation and I hope that you all enjoy!