Is a conservative reform wave about to flip the Southern Baptist Convention? In this episode of the Center for Baptist Leadership Podcast, William Wolfe sits down with pastor and writer Michael Clary to unpack his now-famous “taxonomy” of SBC factions—Platform, Loyalists, Reformers, Normies, and Absentees—and why Orlando 2026 could be a make-or-break moment.

They dive into:

Why the reformers are actually winning (ERLC, Brent Leatherwood, and beyond)

The battle over women pastors and the Truth & Unity Amendment led by Dr. Al Mohler

Why Willie Rice may be the SBC president reformers have been praying for

How normies and absentees can decide the future of the SBC in Orlando and Indianapolis

If you care about Baptist identity, institutional reform, biblical complementarianism, and the future of the SBC, this is your pre-Orlando briefing.

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