After Alan and Steve shared and dissected author and classroom management guru Michael Linsin’s blog post “The Big Lie of Childhood Trauma,” they invited him back to the podcast to join the conversation. Linsin says, “Throw out SEL and all of its manifestations. Replace it with better subject-matter teaching, more time on task, higher expectations, weighty responsibility, and the demand for impeccable behavior.” Alan and Steve push to explore the nuances of that point of view.